president, go do this. go interfere with the mueller investigation. i am the person who was asked to do it. there he was in living color. now, he would not answer based on the letter that was given to him by the white house, which clearly was not one that was relevant to his testimony. but he kept using it because he was not giving counsel to the president on any decisions that -- >> he's not on the white house staff at all. >> not at all, and he never got into the white house, anderson, as you well know. so he couldn't be covered by that privilege. but he used it. that's obstruction. but also he was the actual point person that the president used to sidestep the very persons on his staff, on the payroll, that he could have asked directly if it was, in fact, legal and the appropriate thing to do. >> congresswoman jackson lee, i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you for having me. up next, reaction to lewandowsky's contentious hearing from someone who did work in the trump white house, no longer supports the