appreciated that. and i don't think donald trump -- it bothered him that lewandowsky admitted to lying because he lied to msnbc, and that's like the belly of the beast for these people. >> right. >> so i mean i just -- i think, you know, the moral quality of the audience is appropriate. >> i would just say his audience was not donald trump. his audience was trump supporters in new hampshire. >> fair enough. >> i would beg to differ with you there. >> although he still wants to please daddy. there's no doubt he's still, you know -- >> i don't think he has any problem with that. i think he's trying to secure the trump voters in new hampshire to get that primary away. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, if, as we've been discussing, the goal was public persuasion, what do democrats actually think they accomplished today? how are they going to say that they accomplished something? you'll hear from one committee member who had her own confrontation with cor rye lewandowsky? and later, we'll talk to someone who, unlike lewandowsky, has broken with the president,