that they are continuing to not work with prosecutors. and this is why they are a part of the superseding indictment, donald trump, it is clear, it is important to him to maintain their loyalty and for them to stick by him ultimately as we move forward toward a trial. and, ken, just bringing you back to something you mentioned a second ago about these new revelations about the conversation to delete surveillance video, why is it coming out now and not maybe in the original indictment last month? that s a great question, we jose. we don t know the answer. it is very clear, though, from the context of this that the government would very much like mr. de oliveira to cooperate because if you read this indictment carefully, there is no witness that is in the room with donald trump at this point that is prepared to testify about what trump said. the people that heard trump were mr. nauta, mr. de oliveira and they re defendants right now. the government would like either
at the january six committee, he described what rhodes is hoping to achieve on the sixth. when it was gonna be, listen armed revolution, he s a militia leader, he had these grand divisions have been a paramilitary leader. and the insurrection act would ve given him a path forward with that. jason van tatenhove, that man right, there are joins us in just a few minutes. as a department of justice continues its prosecution of january six cases, house committee is hearing from even more key witnesses. new york times first to report, the former secret service agent former white house aide tony ornato, appeared today before the committee. went out it was serving as deputy chief of staff on january 6th. another former trump aide, cassidy hutchinson, told the committee, ornado told heard trump lunged towards a now they re secret service agent, who refused to let trump drawing the mob at the capitol. tony described him as being
in our politics lead now, a zaming report from pentagon exposing how far trump administration officials went to punish people expected with the first impeachment including the brother of a key witness, the witness then alexander vindman heard trump s phone call with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, when trump tied u.s. aid to ukraine for a request for the ukrainians to investigate trump s opponent joe biden and his son hunter. alexander vindman raised his concerns with his twin brother, lieutenant colonel vindman. serving with the national security council who relayed his brother s concerns to a national security council officials. now the pentagon inspector general report said trump officials retaliated, giving vindman unfavorably reviews. stripping him of responsibilities and days after the senate acquitted trump,
but i think it s always important to remember that impeachment is a political process much more than a legal process. in trying to sort out evidence into different categories, i mean, it s interesting, but i think ultimately what matters is what persuades politicians and the voters who elect them. you know, it is, of course, outrageous that republicans are complaining about the absence of hearing trump s words when the people who heard trump s words are not being allowed to testify. scott, would you like to see mulvaney and bolton testify? well, i with us in this position once. i was subpoenaed by congress, but i was a sitting white house staffer. and what they ultimately decided for me is you have to go up there, but we ll have a lawyer sit beside you and tell you what
people suddenly telling the same story? different pieces of the story. and they all match. that s true. but i think it s always important to remember that impeachment is a political process much more than a legal process. in trying to sort out evidence into different categories, i mean, it s interesting, but i think ultimately what matters is what persuades politicians and the voters who elect them. you know, it is, of course, outrageous that republicans are complaining about the absence of hearing trump s words when the people who heard trump s words are not being allowed to testify. scott, would you like to see mulvaney and bolton testify? well, i with us in this position once. i was subpoenaed by congress, but i was a sitting white house staffer. and what they ultimately decided for me is you have to go up there, but we ll have a lawyer sit beside you and tell you what questions you can answer or not. so i got stuck in the middle of one of these privilege issues. these are hig