silently in that miami courtroom. outside cameras showed a very small crowd. the scene was nothing like what trump threatened for months the talk of riots or unrest or how the nation would not stand for his indictment, and i ll show you that in this special report. we can also tell you heading into the second arraignment, trump posted the message, see you in miami, and he did some conservative media call for protests, reenforcing how tiny his mega phone was on this score when it comes to summoning a giant crowd to protest a government proceeding. look, our country has to protest. we need strength at this point, and everyone s afraid to do anything. they re afraid to talk. and they have to go out and they have to protest peacefully. now, miami police had security ready for a crowd that could top 50,000, and after what we all saw as an underresponse to the january 6th gathering,
government proceeding. and part of the charges that are currently being considered are the attempts to influence government officials, and what he was doing was spreading conspiracy theories in a government setting here, and we re intentionally looking at racketeering charges. you have eight individuals already agreeing to immunity. eight fake electors, the racketeering charges do not have to prove that there was a grand scheme, right, a conspiracy among all of these individuals to commit a crime, but what they have to prove for these racketeering charges would be that there were multiple individuals who had the same crime intended, and if fani willis believes that she is able to prove there was a direct effort to overturn the 2020 election, and multiple individuals involved here, that s why it s important to get some of the individuals, fake electors to agree to cooperate with her. and the next few months will be big ahead of the next three weeks in august. and joining me now is msn
however, that doesn t mean they aren t going to get it. it also doesn t mean that it exists. let s be careful about what we know and don t know. i would point to marcus work and ultimately the january 6th committee s work as pointing to over and over again significant evidence that donald trump obstructed a government proceeding. you might not remember this, but it was considered extremely novel to charge people in the early days after january 6th with obstructing a government proceeding. obstruction had been used for people that got in the way of a criminal investigation, who tried to foil it. donald trump has been found by robert mueller to have multiply tried to obstruct a criminal investigation. but now that has been proven to be a very powerful charge against defendants in january 6th. obstructing a government proceeding, trying to block the
peaceful transfer of power. and the committee presented some significant evidence of this. whether jack smith reaches a charging decision on either of those cases is yet to be seen, but i couldn t agree more we just don t know, are they going to find a link in the violent attempt to overthrow the government? are they going to find a link between the aid to roger stone in his lifetime? stewart rhodes of the oath keepers, conferring with alex jones, a high-level trump advocate, for blocking the certification. are they going to find this link? or is jack smith going to say he believes that donald trump, that there s evidence he obstructed a government proceeding both of these are pretty serious. let me play what you re talking about, carol. some of the evidence that was
facing there, obstruction of an official government proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, even a seditious conspiracy charge are among the most serious that have emanated and could be among the most serious crimes facing him. that said, when i look at the combination of the facts as we know them now and the seriousness of the crimes being contemplated, i agree with attorney general bill barr, maybe the only time i agree with him, about the seriousness of the records investigation and how much legal risk it poses to former president trump lisa rubin, thank you that s the incredible thing, jose, right? in the next 24 we ll find out what that indictment says, 30-plus counts here. we still haven t heard from fulton county d.a. fanny williams and special counsel jack smith as well three investigations, a lot that the former president is facing in the pipeline. indeed, in many ways, just