of these two people, described the fraudulent electors plan last year. it s very simple. there s nothing to hide. we did what we did on our thing, i hate to say thing, what we did on our event okay. just doing your thing. what you see there is someone who at least seems, well, aware enough of the legal heat to not try to say too much. that s the quote we got out of that kind of walk and talk interview. but who now has lawyers and is figuring out there s a lot of pressure here. remember, the washington post has reported on how initially attorney general garland s doj and fbi was kind of taking a slower approach. indeed, on some of these plots that were exposed, we ve told you about, rachel maddow reported on, many people put a light on the fraudulent electors. a year went by. and before the special counsel s office got in touch, witnesses in the electors scheme hadn t heard from the fbi in almost a
involved in those early discussions around thanksgiving time regarding having alternate electors meet? mr. giuliani, several of mr. giuliani s associates, mr. meadows. one of the biggest supporters of this outrageous attempt to subvert american democracy was law professor and trump attorney june eastman. the entire executive branch is headed by one guy. trump saw him on fox news and shortly after that, he was in the oval office. fraudulent electors was step one in eastman s plan which he outlined in these memos and justified with false claims of, quote, illegal actions of state and local election officials. step two in his plan would have to be executed by vice president mike pence on january 6th while presiding over the opening and counting of electoral ballots. what you can do is you can say due to these disputes in
states is the one who make this decision. and as the chief executive it s incumbent upon th president to ensure that thi election was - in a fair and square manner. now, of course, the chief executive has nothing to d with elections state and local officials in this country are the ones that actually run elections governor signed the electo certificates congress certifies the electoral votes. but it makes sense that he sai that because, not long after that remark, we actually learne that mr. epshteyn was involved in the fake elector plot t assign electoral votes to trum in seventh he had actually lost. there s also been reporting about the attempt that to seat fraudulent electors. is that something you ever worked on or something that important, for example, in michigan yes, i was part of th process to make sure there wer alternate electors, to mak sure - everything that was done was done legally by the trump lega
this country are the ones that actually run elections governors sign the elector certificates congress certifies the electoral votes. but it makes sense that he sai that because, not long after that remark, we actually learne that mr. epshteyn was involved in the fake elector plot t assign electoral votes to trum in seventh he had actually lost there s also been reporting about the attempt to sea fraudulent electors. is that something you ever worked on or something that yo would support, for example, in michigan yes, i was part of th process to make sure there wer alternate electors, to mak sure - everything that was done was done legally by the trump lega team, according to the rules and under the leadership o rudy giuliani. all under the leadership of rudy giuliani. a lot of people watched that interview, including prosecutors in georgia, wh quickly subpoenas epshteyn ove his direct involvement wit
left the white house until recently, mr. epstein played a critical role in both inquiries. it is difficult to overstate his place in donald trump s inner circle at this very moment he was even seen alongside trump at his arraignment in manhattan earlier this month his testimony could lead prosecutors to a wealth of useful information on some of the issues that they are zeroing in on. when it comes to january 6th, the times reports this, quote, he s been linked to a critical element of trump s bid to hold on to power. the effort to name slates of electors pledged to trump from swing states that were actually won by joe biden here he is on msnbc last year with our colleague ari melber admitting to setting up fake slates of electors there s also been reporting about the attempt to seat fraudulent electors. is that something you of worked