republican national committee. likewise, this is why he s on the call with rudy giuliani to the arizona speaker of the hus of representatives. because this is donald trump s request that the speaker of the house, a fellow republican, in the absence of any proof, call the legislature back into session, decertify the biden electors and appoint some illegitimate electors for donald trump. and you know, likewise, here he is meeting with his own attorney general, being told that these claims he s making are bs, but he s out there continuing to make these fraud claims that underlay the whole scheme. so look, this was his plot. and i think we demonstrated today his key involvement in different points along the way. is that illegal? is it a crime to submit fraudulent slates of electors? well, this will be ultimately up for the justice department to decide. our job is really to expose what
we heard was unethical, but was it illegal? that s what where want to know. was any of this illegal? let s talk to our panel now. carrie, let me start with you because we heard testimony from the republican national committee chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel, that seemed to put trump directly in the area of the conspirators when it came to this scheme of fraudulent electors. take a listen to the republican national committee chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel. he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. i think more just helping them reach out and assemble them, but my understanding is the campaign
th thing to say is there proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that latter judgment is one for the department of justice to make, but i think these issues have to be investigated by the department. some of them, those who broke into the capitol are under investigation and prosecution, but the plot went beyond those that were in the capitol that day, and i do think those allegations merit investigation by the department. today, we heard a lot about this scheme to have states submit slates of fraudulent electors. and i suppose the hope was that vice president pence or somehow the confusion would allow pence or the congress to throw this back to the states and thus allowing trump to hold on to power. we finally heard of donald trump s involvement in this scheme, direct involvement, and we heard this from the republican national committee chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel. she testified about that call in
so we now know that pont examining some of the committee s evidence, a federal judge thinks john eastman more likely than nod committed felonies. hearing that was more ominous with that analysis in the public record, in the judicial record. i wonder your thoughts tieing not just eastman but trump the phony elector scheme wasn t a mad cap circus thing. it was a crime. it s a crime to submit flawed lent electors who don t represent the will of the folks in any states. what did you make of the repetitive nature of witness testimony proving it wasn t just rudy, mitchell. trump was involved, rudy was involved up and down the white house campaign operation, they had their hands on this conspiracy to submit fraudulent electors. there s so much notable about this particular wonky but
monaco, deputy attorney general, repeated it just a couple of days ago. they are looking at this situation, that they are focused on prosecuting crimes, not people, and they will follow the evidence wherever it goes. that would seem to apply there is a little bit of central investigation going on in d.c. although of course we still don t have clear conversation. it seems increasingly that s the case. and, michelle, you mentioned the type of officials that are gaining power who on board with this stuff. that may be why some of the trump lawyers seem to be so blatant, lawyers and aides, about this. here is the electric fraud on the beat . not fraudulent electors, ari. it s alternate electors. because of the process that s laid out under the 12th amendment, everything done was done legally by the trump party under the rules and under the