intended to intimidate lawmakers. if we have to, we re going to go to homes and let them know what we think about them. there were multiple protests. i don t remember the exact number, three at least outside either my district office or my home. you re correct. my then 15-year-old son was home by himself for the first one. all of my personal information was online. it was my personal email, my personal cell phone, my home phone number. in fact, we had to disconnect our home phone for about three days because it would ring all hours of the night, would fill up with messages. brian butt cutler, we re outside. outlining pressure from trump aides and the ex-president himself to peddle the big lie even as team trump admitted they didn t have any evidence. he said we ve got lots of theories, we just don t have the evidence. and i don t know if that was a gaff. maybe he didn t think through what he said. both myself and others in my group and my counsel both remembered tha
somebody just asked me to, it s foreign to my very being. i will not do it. i took an oath for me to take that, to do what you do, would be counter to my oath. i think sometimes moments require you to stand up and just take the shots. you re doing your job. that s all we did. just followed the law, followed the constitution. and at the end of the day, president trump came up short, but i had to be faithful to the constitution, and that s what i swore an oath to do. he detailed how trump and his team pressured those and other state workers to declare fraud when there was no fraud and when the ex-president found out these officials woulded not declare fake fraud, would not go against the will of their states voters, he and his lawyers pushed forward to organize alternate fake electors. it s a scheme, conspiracy, that
i wonder if, in your view, we re taking the right thing, evidence proved, box checked, trump lost and he knew it, trump knew what he asked mike pence to do was illegal, box checked. today, he knew that there were threats of violence against these officials, even pursued the plan anyway. the testimony of rusty bowers involves multiple phone calls from donald trump. i mean, it seems to be the committee s mission to put donald trump not just at the center of the conspiracy but on top of it. well, when you have that many people involved, the committee has to blend so many different things. you re right, nicole, they had to start with the timeline. i think you noticed in the first hearing, they started with the timeline, based on the video, in certain types of hearing to set up the next hearing. what they re doing is building the case and it looks like a massive command briefing that i used to do in the intelligence community where you would have the bluff, the bottom line up front, tell
indict donald trump? what is the precedent of investigating your current boss predecessor who is in the other party? it seems to me the whole calculation has shifted, with all this evidence of criminality, not just crimes of passion but months long conspiracy. the committee is presenting evidence of a conspiracy quarterbacked by trump, implemented by rudy giuliani, jumping on and off the bus like one of those open-top tour buses, that went on for many, many months. i wonder your thoughts on congressman clyburn s analysis, so what he s hearing on the ground from constituents all across the country is anger, but it appears that one donald trump is above the law. not only that donald trump is above the law this conspiracy is huge now, right?
so we now know that pont examining some of the committee s evidence, a federal judge thinks john eastman more likely than nod committed felonies. hearing that was more ominous with that analysis in the public record, in the judicial record. i wonder your thoughts tieing not just eastman but trump the phony elector scheme wasn t a mad cap circus thing. it was a crime. it s a crime to submit flawed lent electors who don t represent the will of the folks in any states. what did you make of the repetitive nature of witness testimony proving it wasn t just rudy, mitchell. trump was involved, rudy was involved up and down the white house campaign operation, they had their hands on this conspiracy to submit fraudulent electors. there s so much notable about this particular wonky but