it at the guardian. dino, you said in one recent interview that you d be much more comfortable saying the word liar in your new podcast than you would have been able to at the bbc. but that s a difficult word to use, isn t it, because you need to know someone s mind? well, i mean, if you were to give an example that emily used in her speech, you know, there are times where we can just call something wrong or we can call it a lie. i mean, to be honest, i don t want to speak on behalf of our presenters, ijust know that, you know, there were examples on americast where, you know, i think even during recordings, we probably said, well, that s a lie. and actually at the bbc, you just don t say that. but actually i think the line has moved slightly. jon and emily aren t suddenly going to become shockjocks. but, you know, we do have the ability now to call something out. and i think that s what i was saying. you d feel more comfortable calling somebody a liar, jon, on global? well, i thin
speech up on the podcast, on the news agents podcast for people to listen to and make their ownjudgments. i sort of worry that there is, you know, what emily was trying to do was to make a much bigger argument about impartiality, about how you do political reporting in an age of populism, and how, you know, if you believe in liberal democracy and, you know, yeah, let me let me state an opinion outright, loud, clear. i really like free and fair elections. i like a liberal democracy. i like the rule of law. i like the peaceful transfer of power. and if you want a well informed electorate, you ve got to challenge fake news. and i think that it is very difficult at the moment seeing the populism that there is around the world, that we ve got to rethink that. and i think that is the argument that emily was seeking to make. well, she s making a broad argument. she was using specific examples to make it. nosheen iqbalfrom today in focus from the guardian, let s ask you about these broader
of its coverage. now, emily is not able to join us on this edition, but we will hear from jon sopel. we re also going to hear from deano sophos, the man behind this new podcast, someone the times has called the new prince of podcasts. deano, good to have you on the programme. that s quite a title to live up to. thanks, ros. yeah, well, it s nice to, nice to talk to you. yeah, it s look, it was a lovely piece and a shock to have a profile in the times. but, you know, ithink what i did at the bbc in terms of launching brexitcast, which was our first hit podcast, and then americast withjon and emily and then the daily newscast. i mean, overthe time i was there at the bbc, they accrued 85 million downloads. so i think what i created at the bbc was successful and has enabled us to launch what we re doing here on the news agents. and just quickly, you re sitting here, you werejust
..position on this is that i don t think it s as quite a big a problem as emily suggested, because i think the audience is intelligent, and they can listen to the two arguments and they can work it out for themselves, provided one side or the other is not allowed to lie by the interviewer. and i think the interviewer is able to step in. on the, you know, the other issue which she raised about, you know, there being people who work for the tory party on the bbc board. and incidentally, something that david dimbleby was going on about on the television last night. i honestly cannot understand that. if you have a board, it should have people with a wide range of views, and if you ve got a board, they should be expressing opinion about the product of the company or the organisation which they represent. and this kind of notion that dimbleby and emily maitlis seem to have that somehow it s wrong for boards the bbc board
and make their ownjudgments. i sort of worry that there is, you know, what emily was trying to do was to make a much bigger argument about impartiality, about how you do political reporting in an age of populism, and how, you know, if you believe in liberal democracy and, you know, yeah, let me let me state an opinion outright, loud, clear. i really like free and fair elections. i like a liberal democracy. i like the rule of law. i like the peaceful transfer of power. and if you want a well informed electorate, you ve got to challenge fake news. and i think that it is very difficult at the moment seeing the populism that there is around the world, that we ve got to rethink that. and i think that is the argument that emily was seeking to make. well, she s making a broad argument. she was using specific examples to make it. nosheen iqbalfrom today in focus from the guardian, let s ask you about these broader challenges of impartiality and how we deal with the the information someti