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i...that maybe is worth noting is that the fbi knew about this guy days before. so february 13th is when haley drove out to massachusetts to meet him. but we know now from the charging documents that they knew that jack was, like, the leaker back on the 10th, so at least three days prior. so, if anything, you know, haley may have...our colleagues may have accelerated their timeline a little bit, seeing they were surveilling him and they probably had been for a while. and so, if anything, you may have been a little adversarial to the fbi's process of surveilling him and keeping an eye on him. absolutely. and we're going to come back to you both in a minute, because i just want to talk about another very different journalistic investigation right now. i mean, this one is a bbc podcast. vishal is its title and colin campbell is the co—presenter. and colin, you know, welcome to the programme. you're sitting right here with me. just tell...tell us about it. so vishal is a multi—episode investigative podcast. - it is an examination - of the murder and abduction of vishal mehrotra. he was abducted off- the streets of putney in 1981.

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