yet been provided of that. and in fairness, the bulletin editors that we would deal with would be receptive to that message. but i ve absolutely seen the danger that can sometimes happen of, you know, on the one hand, on the other, and somehow mistaking that for impartiality. but. yeah? but that is a slightly different thing. that s a cultural challenge that you re describing, which is a slightly different thing from the suggestion which emily made when she said that decision by the bbc on her monologue was perhaps sending a message of reassurance directly to the government itself. that s something a little more explicit, isn t it? yeah. look, emily made her speech and thought very carefully about it and spoke about her experiences of it and what it made her feel. and we have, you know, we ve put the whole of that speech up on the podcast, on the news agents podcast for people to listen to
people in the us state are being urged to turn down their air conditioning, switch off unneccesary lights, and avoid using major appliances in the afternoons and evenings. now on bbc news, the media show. hello and welcome to this week s the media show. now, we re going to talk about news podcasts this week. there s been a very high profile launch. it s called the news agents. it s from global, and it s presented byjon sopel and emily maitlis, both big figures at the bbc before they left to set this up. emily maitlis has also been in the news because she gave a mactaggart lecture in which she raised concerns about how the bbc is approaching some parts of its coverage. now, emily is not able to join us on this edition,
but we will hear from jon sopel. we re also going to hear from deano sophos, the man behind this new podcast, someone the times has called the new prince of podcasts. deano, good to have you on the programme. that s quite a title to live up to. thanks, ros. yeah, well, it s nice to, nice to talk to you. yeah, it s look, it was a lovely piece and a shock to have a profile in the times. but, you know, ithink what i did at the bbc in terms of launching brexitcast, which was our first hit podcast, and then americast withjon and emily and then the daily newscast. i mean, overthe time i was there at the bbc, they accrued 85 million downloads. so i think what i created at the bbc was successful and has enabled us to launch what we re doing here on the news agents. and just quickly, you re sitting here, you werejust explaining before we came on air, you are just signing off your second episode. give us a 30 second spin through a day producing a news podcast like the news agents.
and we in washington would ring up and say, well, you need to put in without foundation or there is no evidence has yet been provided of that. and in fairness, the bulletin editors that we would deal with would be receptive to that message. but i ve absolutely seen the danger that can sometimes happen of, you know, on the one hand, on the other, and somehow mistaking that for impartiality. but. yeah? but that is a slightly different thing. that s a cultural challenge that you re describing, which is a slightly different thing from the suggestion which emily made when she said that decision by the bbc on her monologue was perhaps sending a message of reassurance directly to the government itself. that s something a little more explicit, isn t it? yeah. look, emily made her speech and thought very carefully about it and spoke about her experiences of it and what it made her feel. and we have, you know, we ve put the whole of that
or whatever it s constituted to have some comments. itjust shocks me. a well run organisation needs a well run board, and that board has to be respected. mr campbell, let s bring you in. i mean, i thought emily s speech was was thoughtful, and interesting and insightful, and, you know that there are people within the bbc still there who do broadly agree with what she s saying, but obviously feel that they can t necessarily articulate that in the same way. i feel the bbc has lost its confidence. i m going tojump in there and say, i m not speaking for any colleagues, but i m sure there will be people within the bbc who agreed with emily maitlis and people who didn t. yeah, sure, absolutely. that s exactly what i said. so my point is. i don t really know why you had to clarify that. that s exactly the point i made. my point is that while you re working within the bbc, you can t necessarily articulate that in the way that she did in the very high profile lecture, where, as adam says, she