only requests for documents but also a request for testimony. and that s a big deal because it means these investigators are moving beyond just as phil mentioned earlier, beyond the stage of gathering facts. they want to hear what happened in that don junior meeting. with regard to jay sekulow, he has an undisplinted client. the problem for jay is earlier he said the president was not involved in the statement issued on behalf of don junior. it turns out, the white house says he was involved. there have been things that have been said out loud in the last week and beyond that that are not true. now there s a grand jury involved, now there will be people that can testify and people are even more vulnerable. we don t know if this team is up to it at this point. we ll have to wait and see. gentlemen, thank you for all the reporting and information. ahead, we ll speak with ken starr, the independent counsel
as well as others on the cnn team, of what mueller is actually looking at. so russia collusion, obstruction of justice, as evan just said, with particular interest with michael flynn and paul manafort. phil, in your vast experience with all this, you always hear investigators often follow the money, that that s how they get to the bottom of something. i agree with you. i can t understand why we re having this investigation. this isn t peripheral or an add-on investigation. you have questions that we don t know the answers to on the outside of this. for example, we re talking about one meeting. i have to believe there were other meetings with individuals arranged by russia, as this meeting with don junior was arranged by russia. why would somebody accept that meeting? one of the answers would be, that person who accepted the meeting, the trumperson, had a previous financial arrangement with the russian who arranged the meeting.
going in the first place, which was at the invitation of a potential chance to get bad information from the russian government about hillary clinton. we actually know more than that. we know what don junior has said, and what jared kushner has said. nothing calm of the meeting. that jared kushner had texted an associate to get him out of the meeting because it was a waste of time. that s true. those are a couple of sources of information about the meeting, but that why are you ascribing negative motives to my colleagues and relatives of the president. but we re not how am i doing that? the evidence we have you re saying that s what they said. yes. what is leading us to believe it is not true? i never had to go as far as moscow the find anything negative about hillary clinton. i just listen to hillary clinton. i understand. she was a walking treasure box. i understand. she had no uplifting message, no optimism and she didn t even run a good campaign. even van
regardless of who won the election and how hillary clinton handled herself and handled her campaign, it s all irrelevant that s not true. of course it is. if you want to talk about the election. we re not talking about the election. i don t think it came out of my mouth. this is not about russian interference. you know that, right? it is exactly about that. i think one of the reasons that this meeting is so troubling is because what the president had called a hoax, and a witch hunt is now demonstrably not that because russian people reached out, and not, like, citizens. not just, like, good people from russia but a lawyer of very specific contacts reached out to his son with a solicitation of negative information about his political opponent we had this conversation. and duped him and whatever happened in the meeting happened. it shows it s not a witch hunt. what happened in the meeting? what do we know? we know why he went to the
hampshire together. we met with the governor, and we have met here with the two senators from new hampshire. both democrats. they came here to the white house to have a meeting with governor christie who heads the bipartisan mission, and we feel this is an area where we can all work together. we have to cut down on the supply and the demand. there has to be interdiction, intervention, treept aand preve. we are learning from their families and they are so courageous, and they have suffered so grievously. and i can t relate. but we are helping them. we are talking to first responders. i went to the manchester fire department in new hampshire and saw the amazing model they have there, and they tell us you have other fire stations and first responders trying to learn their practices. they are doing god s work out there, but they are understaffed