in him that will do it the right way. you said bad people lie, stupid people lie. yeah. the president has lied repeatedly about aspects now tied to this investigation whether it be the payments to stormy daniels, whether it be the timing of statements that were made, you know, explaining away the trump tower meeting that don don junior had. are you putting him in that category? no, i think on the stormy daniels stuff we ve seen that before in american politics. it s a lie. but we ve seen it before whether it s from president clinton or john edwards when folks get involved in things that are sexual in nature that are outside of their marriage, they tend to lie. they lie we seen that with president clinton, we saw it with john edwards, so i don t think this is anything unusual. the white house lied now the white house spread a lie about whether the president dictated the response to the new york times about the trump tower and don junior meeting. it came out a mon
rubix cube. we don t know what happened with roger stone and whether other people discussed that don junior meeting, whether others can confirm there was a conspiracy to hide that meeting. we don t know whether there were people who were aware of wikileaks and whether they released information before i happened. when asked he said he was a businessman. he didn t know whether or not he was going to win the election so he continued to push ahead with growing the trump organization. it has been mentioned in their
meeting in trump tower. don junior says in a statement, this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. and when he was offered these dirt or whatever it was, he said, if it s what you say, i love it. so we re not groping in the dark in terms of trying to understand the trump campaign s affinity for their appetite for and their willingness to receive assistance from russians and their associates. so why wouldn t we believe, why shouldn t we believe that what you all are reporting, roger stone s coordination or collusion with assange was something within the realm of what this campaign was up to at the time. yeah, well, you re right, nicolle, there s this don junior meeting as well. and it wasn t just don junior who took that meeting in the summer of 2016 at trump tower looking for dirt on hillary clinton from the russians. jared kushner, the president s son-in-law who was acting as a
bannon, where he said basically this investigation is all about money laundering and they re going to go through manafort and jared kushner to get to donald trump. now, what s interesting about that is that is a common view among legal experts and intelligence officials i talk to all the time about this case, which is that collusion with russia may not be the most the biggest issue here. it s very difficult to prove and continuities even actually a crime. that donald trump may have more jeopardy and jared kushner may in terms of their real estate business and the question of whether they did unsavory business with foreigners, with russians. remember, donald trump jr. said in 2008 a disproportionate amount of our assets are coming from russia. that s never been explained. but the fact that steve bannon is saying it, one of the closest people to the trump world-s remarkable. and i think if you re robert mueller and his team you re wanting to talk to steve bannon today about why he beli
raided, you ve had a guy wearing a wire for at least a month, maybe months. if there s something to be found, they re going to find it. at this point can we really say with a straight face there s no evidence of efforts at collusion, whether it s donald trump junior saying believing information is coming from the russian government and saying let s take a look at it or this guy, papadopoulos as well? as low level as he may be. one thing we know is the russians were pushing on an open door in their attempts to find people in the trump campaign who were interested. it seemed like multiple doors? multiple doors. we know, from the trump tower meeting that don junior was excited to take that meeting. even if the meeting didn t bear fruit. we know papadopoulos was telling everyone in the campaign he could that he wanted to set up meetings between trump and putin, campaign officials and other russian officials. and the plea agreement ends with