to get to one place. and that is to have ukrainians investigate joe biden. the other interesting point we ve heard day after day, chris, is that this was a policy disagreement. that the bureaucrats are trying to undermine the president because they didn t like his policy. and we know from covering washington all these buildings around us, all these different agencies, state, pentagon, they can be at cross purposes sometimes if they disagree with policy. that s a real thing. the difference here is not what they would have you believe is the loyalty test. the difference is saying, no, the president was pursuing a policy that was about investigating another american, a political opponent. that goes beyond policy differences. it s not a policy. right. it is not an official policy. there were huge policy differences within the government, in the iraq war. you know, and you saw leaking and you saw disagreements play out, not like this. this is different. this isn t the president
stuff. i noted that there was big stuff going on in ukraine. like the war with russia and ambassador sondland replied that he meant big stuff that benefits the president. like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. so here what sondland was doing in this conversation was discussing these investigations. these investigations that would benefit president trump politically and also claiming that that s the only thing that president trump really cared about when it came to ukraine. very, very important. kylie atwood doing excellent reporting for us, as usual. you know, chris, gordon sondland, he s represented by a well-known, highly respected washington attorney who i m sure is telling him, gordon, ambassador, you ve got to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth no matter where that winds up. otherwise you ll be in big trouble. absolutely. i mean, look. this isn t just about going in and having a candid conversation. he has to worry about his
hunter biden s position on the board of corrupt ukrainian companies, the democrats label them conspiracy theorists. when the democrats can t get any traction for their allegations of quid pro quo, they move the goal post and accuse the president of extortion. then bribery and at last resort, obstruction of justice. the american people sent us to washington to solve problems. not to wage scorched earth political warfare against the other party. this impeachment is not helping the american people, it s not a legitimate use of taxpayer dollars, and it s definitely not improving our national security. finally, the democrats fake outrage that president trump used his own channel to communicate with ukraine. i ll remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our
cooking up on this. sondland continued to press for a meeting but he and others were willing to settle for a phone call as an intermediate step. on july 21, taylor texted sondland that president zelensky is sensitive about ukraine being taken seriously, not merely as an instrument of washington domestic re-election politics. sondland responded, absolutely. but we need to get the conversation started and the relationship built irrespective of the pretext. so that zelensky and trump could meet and all of this will be fixed. on july 25th, the day of the trump/zelensky call, volker had lunch in kyiv with a senior aide to president zelensky and later texted the aide to say that he had heard from the white house, assuming president z convinces trump he will investigate, get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to washington. good luck.
polarizing figures in the me too era. some people thought she was a hero, some people thought she was a villain. when we were able to piece together the behind-the-scenes story of her private past to testifying in washington, we realized it was so much more complicated than anybody, either side knew. and the dominos keep falling. bill cosby and roger ailes, o reilly leads you to look into weinstein, weinstein leads to other revelations about other powerful men. weapon learn about brett kavanaugh, learn about all of these accusations and it keeps happening to this day. it s an extraordinary thing. thank you both for being here. best of luck with the book. the book is she said. quick break here on reliable sources. and the hill s columnist crystalbacrystal ball is here. and for a limited time, get free smartphones too! get 4 new lines of unlimited and 4 free phones for just 30 bucks a line!