stuff. i noted that there was big stuff going on in ukraine. like the war with russia and ambassador sondland replied that he meant big stuff that benefits the president. like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. so here what sondland was doing in this conversation was discussing these investigations. these investigations that would benefit president trump politically and also claiming that that's the only thing that president trump really cared about when it came to ukraine. >> very, very important. kylie atwood doing excellent reporting for us, as usual. you know, chris, gordon sondland, he's represented by a well-known, highly respected washington attorney who i'm sure is telling him, gordon, ambassador, you've got to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth no matter where that winds up. otherwise you'll be in big trouble. >> absolutely. i mean, look. this isn't just about going in and having a candid conversation. he has to worry about his