happened, but i think that the congressman cheney s comments clearly presage something that has been going on, and that was no surprise to people. that the former president may be contacting people on his own, calling people, doing whatever. that just seemed kind of obvious. now, that doesn t necessarily mean that it would rise to the level of obstruction or tampering with a wince. those are pretty serious charges too that they need to look very seriously at. but clearly, it is something that i think has been on the radar of the special counsel throughout this investigation. yeah, and kendall coffey, good to see you. it s been too long. i can remember consulting with you back in the day when i used to reach out to you to get advice when legal stuff would come along. great to talk with you. i remember you saying that the way that prosecutors look, particularly at public corruption cases is they don t go big. they go with what they can win on. they would rather win than have a dramatic
The following is a transcript of an interview with Democratic Rep. Pete Aguilar of California that aired Sunday, Sept. 25, 2022, on "Face the Nation."
hayden. liz cheney representing a section of the right and democrats and the administrative state of entities like the cia, it s the true prism is an establishment that wants to preserve the status quo and the people, the populists out there who the media and our institutions are actively trying to subvert. and donald trump has come to represent a discan resumption of that status quo. that s why liz cheney is being elevated by one of those institutions, the media. howard: now we get liz on liz. [laughter] trump says the fake news media has badly soiled liz cheney, although i think she s got a lot of support. how many people in national politics give up their career for what they see as a principle? it s a pretty rare thing. yeah, it is a rare thing, and so, of course, she s getting trumpeted by, of course, the mainstream media. howard, this is really a fascinating development. ask she s quite an unusual hero for the mainstream media
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questions that give no insight whatsoever, and they support that. howard: i m glad you drew that contrast with liz cheney saying on abc that large portions of the republican part are very sick, but i think she s going to run for president. she says it would be to win if she runs, but i think she s running, because she will lead a national stage. she will lead the media attention, and she d is love to get on the debate stage with donald trump and jab at him. what a winning strategy, worked out for hillary clinton calling everybody s deplorable. i think liz s diagnosis is absolutely accurate. how is it that msnbc s chris hayes who described liz cheney s father as a nazi at one point, how is it msnbc s chris hayes finds himself and just as an illustration on the same side as liz cheney? i think we should ask that question. your diagnosis is right, liz, and the one commonality they have, the one commonality they