always so hard to make an indictment. it s a whole other question to make a case and convict someone. but the committee, liz cheney, all of these witnesses are providing critical information for the justice department and then we will see down the road whether there is a criminal referral and where the justice department takes it from here. one point to make, we are told that cassidy hutchinson s testimony the other day was a game changer for the justice department, and i m certain that some of the testimony here from these white house insiders, white house counsel, also is going to have an impact on the justice department. including the sworn testimony from pat cipollone, the white house counsel. gloria, the committee also revealed this text exchange between two very staunch trump allies, brad parscale and katrina pearson. watch what they said after,
trump. every day in the hearing in the series of hearings has built on it. this hearing laid the blame, the committee laid the blame on trump directly from white house insiders. brad parscale s a campaign insider. these are the people closest to him. and so what the committee has built is just a devastating case where trump loyalists over and over again are the ones who are saying trump was responsible and that as liz cheney said in the first hearing president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame. and that s certainly underscored that today. well, let me let andrew mccabe weigh in. did the committee, andrew, successfully make the case that the former president of the united states was actually giving directives to his followers and to these violent
washington. andrew mccabe, as elliot mentioned earlier the vice chair of the select committee liz cheney revealed at the very end of this hearing very disturbing details that after the last hearing the former president trump actually tried to call a potential witness in their investigation, a real witness. they ve alerted the u.s. justice department. how concerning is this? well, it s incredibly concerning, wolf. i think not in the least part because it shows a level of desperation i think on the former president to reach out, to make any contact with a witness of this committee in light of what was said at the end of the previous hearing where congressman cheney really turned the light and the focus on witness intimidation that s been going on until this point. then to get directly, allegedly directly involved in potentially contacting a witness by the by former president trump, it s just it s hard to imagine
as the committee vice chair liz cheney revealed, the panel has alerted the justice department in washington that trump tried to contact a witness in a possible attempt to influence testimony. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i m wolf blitzer. you re in the situation room. we re coming to you live from jerusalem to cover president biden s historic trip here. he leaves the white house in just a few hours and arrives here tomorrow. more on this important visit. that s coming up ahead. but first, we want to break down all the new revelations from today s hearing on the january 6th insurrection. what we learned about trump s actions then and now and new accounts of bedlam inside his white house. let s go to our congressional correspondent ryan nobles. he s up on capitol hill. ryan, walk us through all the
reporter: and at the conclusion of today s explosive hearing congresswoman liz cheney revealing that one of the witnesses the committee was considering talking to received a phone call from the former president recently. they said that particular witness declined the call from donald trump and instead referred that information to their attorney. their attorney then reached out to the committee. cheney saying that they ve now passed that information along to the department of justice. no word, wolf, on who that witness is or if we will hear from them in the future. wolf? that was really a bombshell. right at the end of the hearing today. ryan nobles up on capitol hill. thank you very much. let s bring in our political, legal and law enforcement experts. and jamie gangel, i ll start with you. former trump campaign manager brad parscale flat out said trump s rhetoric got someone killed. how powerful was today s hearing? i think today was a devastating hearing, wolf, for