every move you make, every step you take, i ll be watching you. the internet doesn t have to be duckduckgo is a free all in one privacy app with a built in search engine, web browser, one click data clearing and more stop companies like google from watching you, by downloading the app today. duckduckgo: privacy, simplified. howard: when top journalists did their stand-ups in wyoming, they had to admit that liz cheney lost to trump-backed chonger challenger harriet hageman by 37 points. the congresswoman said she easily could have won but for one thing the path was clear, but it would have required that i go along with president trump s lie about the 2020 election. are you thinking about running for president? that is something that i m thinking about, and i ll make a decision in the coming months. howard: will cain, what do you
congressman cheney is standing up to donald trump for the sake of the institutional vitality and, indeed, survival of the republican party itself. i think here was the beginning of something much larger than being one of 435 members of the house, one of 535 members of congress. the language was remarkable. and to have celebrate sated herself elevated herself to this point where not just people in her own party, but people in the democratic party listen to her, consider her a leader howard: this is a total flip prosecute cays that days that many dismissed her as a warmonger in the hold of her father, the former vice president. and liberals were happy to remind us of liz s past record. the president is operating outside the bounds of the constitution. he thinks he s above the law, and if the republicans, conservatives don t stand up and night against it, as i said,
have is establishment. howard: well, i would say if you re anti-trump, that s going to get you national support in a lot of the mainstream media. liz cheney has no natural base in either party, so, liz, could it be said that her base right now is a very sympathetic media establishment? yeah. and democrats. [laughter] i mean, can you imagine if she does somehow run for president, if she decides that, the best way if he wants to go after donald trump whom she has called the biggest danger to democracy, you know, obviously, with the january 6 riots and him egging them on would be to be on the same debate stage as donald trump? the media would go absolutely parabolic, the ratings would be huge, and this is for both sides. but met me make let me make a prediction. howie, if she doesn t make it and donald trump is the gop presidential candidate, you are see something you ve never seen before, and that is a cheney
make of conservative media attempt to say, yeah, liz cheney got annihilated in the primary, but she s really a winner because she s a champion of democracy for taking on donald trump? so a i m going to try not to take up too much time here, howard, but here s what i think. i think liz cheney has become a proxy, and hear we out. it s not republican-democrat, and t not left-right. did you see the clip by sam harris on the trigonometry podcast? sam harris, the renowned atheist, said it s okay for a conspiracy to subvert the trout about hunter biden if it means getting donald trump out of office. you have to break democracy to save democracy. and when you take that and combine it with the publisher of the financial times saying in his career, he s never seen a it greater threat than the current-day republican party. that statement, howard, was retweeted by the former director of the cia, michael haden. what i m telling you michael
president, vice president, by appointment or at least be elevated to those roles. to be in the people s house, your community, your state has to say your politics and your values reflect where we are. i think we re seeing that in wyoming, we re seeing a political judgment, and we ll see one in alaska as well. unfortunately liz cheney finds herself out of step with where wyoming voters are. the only panelist as an incumbent who lost a race in 2016 when i broke from trump and ultimately was redistricted. i ll tell you what liz cheney is facing right now, she s left it all on the field. this is where she can be proud and i think the nation recognizes her leadership. she s left everything in the field to say i m going to do what i think is right cardless of my home state politics. personally, that s hard. she right now is feeling this disconnect with her home state politics that she can t really understand.