lesbianing rights, transgender rights and so on. do you hope that the publicity surrounding chaz s story may lead to a more liberal attitude towards this kind of thing? well, you know, i don t want to throw out any political terms or label anybody anything here. but i m always one who believes we can learn something from everybody s story wherever we can hear it that there are bit was it to learn and we can all gain some wisdom and happiness watching other people s stories and accepting them and trying to hear a little bit. you know, i ll be very candid. this is a strange story and hard to wrap your arms around it. we re still coming to terms with. what i m not coming to terms with is i love chaz keeply and chaz has been a huge and very important part of my life and my children s life. that s what s important to me here. chaz and i learned a long time ago because the last rough period with sonny and chaz on some political differences, and
go back over my whole life in my head and just put all of these different things together. we ll have a short break. when we come back, we ll get to the moment when you decide, i want to be a man. okay. we re also going to hear from nick cannon about an extraordinary scam targeting his wife mariah carey and their babies. saying that my wife was drinking beer and all that stuff. people will do anything to try to conjure up a story.
everything is changing. there s so much clarity coming, and i m sure there will be more things that i discover that i just didn t realize until i went on hormones and started to feel comfortable. i ll give you a mirror if you want to see. nice and flat, huh? wow. looks beautiful. there you go. a documentary becoming chaz. and chaz bono is with me now. this is an extraordinary documentary, an extraordinary story and centers really around the pivotal moment when you decide, i actually want to be a man. mm-hmm. and i m going to do something about this. tell me about that moment. well, it was a long time coming, so i think i was starting to put it together around my early 30s. and then suddenly i was like how can i what can i do about this? i m a public figure. if i transition, the whole world s going to know. and i felt like i m going to
a girl likes a guy. and i would kind of, you know, pursue that and then go on a date or something and be like, this is absurd. i feel ridiculous. i don t want to be, you know, intimate with this person at all. but i really like him in a special way. it was like i was having bromances before i realized i was a guy. you had sex with a man once. once, yes. what was the experience like? just bland really. it wasn t a horrific traumatic experience. it was like; okay. why did you do that? it was immature. i was only 16 at the time. so many people would say to me because i was out to my friends and everything and people, when i would tell them would say, how do you know? you have never been with a man. so i wanted to do it so i could say, i have done it. i know. so you get to your late
the gauntlet s been thrown down there. we ve been engaged actually for two years. i ve kind of had to put things on hold a little bit. the other thing is we both have been real i think the lady would like you to get off the she would. as a man, you don t have any excuse. no, i don t. the one thing we talked about a little bit is how we re big supporters of, you know, marriage equality. and that s kind of weird now, to be able to do that. are you legally now able to marry as a man and wife? we are, yes. and would you choose to do that? i think that we probably will and hopefully people will understand that, you know, that s something we want to do. before you were considering a civil partnership potentially. yes. actually, no, we really weren t, actually. okay. because it was legal for a little while in california. we had a window. we had a window. i knew at that point that i was going to transition and it just didn t feel right to me to get married