lesbianing rights, transgender rights and so on. do you hope that the publicity surrounding chaz's story may lead to a more liberal attitude towards this kind of thing? >> well, you know, i don't want to throw out any political terms or label anybody anything here. but i'm always one who believes we can learn something from everybody's story wherever we can hear it that there are bit was it to learn and we can all gain some wisdom and happiness watching other people's stories and accepting them and trying to hear a little bit. you know, i'll be very candid. this is a strange story and hard to wrap your arms around it. we're still coming to terms with. what i'm not coming to terms with is i love chaz keeply and chaz has been a huge and very important part of my life and my children's life. that's what's important to me here. chaz and i learned a long time ago because the last rough period with sonny and chaz on some political differences, and