denuclearization. and he s serious about having something to talk with the president. shannon: there are plenty of skeptics out there. they include the former secretary of state condoleezza rice who of course the bushing administration, 43, had to deal with it. as many other initiations have. here is her take on where it goes. the north korean playbook is that you get into trouble because of sanctions. things get tough, and then you go to the table and you go on a charm offensive. you make a bunch of pronouncements i make some obligations, and then you don t keep them. shannon: how do i know things are different this time? are they, general? i think they are. i understand all of that and certainly this administration understands was happening the last two or three decades with the grandfather, father, and kim jong un. but there is something materially different here, and it has to do with the president, to be frank. he has put maximum pressure on the regime. my sources tell me
have political panel to weigh n joining us kevin, vice president at hamburger gibson creative and alexander smith, executive director of america rising. great to be with you. thanks for having me. eboni: i m going to lay out a starting point and have you weigh in. it seems that there are two competing narratives as it relates to mccabe s firing, on one hand many are saying that this is political strictly, that this is the president bushing an agenda to discredit the whole fbi and all of those organizations, a bit of a comey grudge, fill in the blanks. other side that mccabe was fired for the fbi s own professional of responsibility and the inspector general s report said that he basically lied under oath, he was a leak and various other reasons are called for firing. alex, i will start with you, can two things be true at the same time, can it be true that the president has a vested interest in seeing mccabe and the mueller investigation be discredited on the front end and could it
hearing from the author of the book himself, michael wolff, answering questions about how fit the people closest to the president think he is for this job. one of the overarching themes according to your reporting, everybody around the president, family members, senior advisers, every one of them questions his intelligence and fitness for office. let me put a marker in the sand here. 100% of the people around him. no ambiguity there. let s go to the white house. kaitlan collins joins us. the man that wrote it all is now speaking. what is the white house saying? they are bushing back on so many aspects of the book, john and poppy, but the president specifically pushing back on the idea that michael wolff had a lot of access to him specifically and last night he tweeted saying i authorized zero
bombing of a south korean airliner. then the bushing administration removed north korea from the list in 2008 after the regime that all nuclear inspection requirements. north korea has since helped syria and iran with their nuclear missile developments. it also has close ties to hamas and hezbollah. iran, sudan, syria. and now north korea. let s bring in the panel. stephen hayes, mara liasson, from north carolina, bill bennett. former education secretary. thanks for being here. steve, your thoughts, not a surprise but it is a significant action. it is and it s long overdue in my view. president bush was wrong when he said in june of 2008. in 2006, north korea tested a nuclear weapon.
those kinds of issues have made it very difficult to have these conversations seriously because people just point to, well, trump is the leader of your party now, so how could you possibly say that you want to do things that don t you know, that don t seem big on the? it s difficult, because conservatism is not about that. conservatism is about individual freedom and the ability to have people, empower people to make their own decisions and live their own lives without the state coming in and taking over. i mean, for the most part in a simplistic way ts a world view. unfortunately there have been a lot of people come in and perverted what that is and turned it into something where it s actually not. you can t say it s a world view now when you want when people want to build walls, when people you can t say it s a world view, because even now globalism is look a big buzz word. if you go back to bushing and milton freedom and bill buckly and like the thought leaders of conser