those kinds of issues have made it very difficult to have these conversations seriously because people just point to, well, trump is the leader of your party now, so how could you possibly say that you want to do things that don't -- you know, that don't seem big on the? it's difficult, because conservatism is not about that. conservatism is about individual freedom and the ability to have people, empower people to make their own decisions and live their own lives without the state coming in and taking over. i mean, for the most part in a simplistic way ts a world view. unfortunately there have been a lot of people come in and perverted what that is and turned it into something where it's actually not. >> you can't say it's a world view now when you want -- when people want to build walls, when people -- you can't say it's a world view, because even now -- globalism is look a big buzz word. >> if you go back to bushing and milton freedom and bill buckly and like the thought leaders of conservatism, it is a world view, that those principles remain. but the people who are now
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