course they are posturing. that s what we do with this. the part i think interesting, did you notice the tone of those administration comments from the president and brennan and others? they want to play the somber grownups here just concerned about the security of the nation amid this political squabbling by the other side. that s exactly the tone the dems and as and as minute station want to put forward. they are not the ones who can t agree. brian, you want to weigh in there? the white house always wants to seem above politics. the fact is the release of this information about the sort of bulk data collection has highlighted the sort of big brother idea of the big government democrats. i disagree we willy, i think this high rights that sort of point of view and i think now what we are going to see is i think a bit of a win for both parties because the political reality is that the usa freedom
interesting and sort of accidental figure in washington in that he wasn t really angling for this job. but it happened when newt gingrich was kicked out. when bob living ton had to resign in the late 90s. our friends at the new york times put it he got his job through a sex scandal, lost his speakership because it was thrown by a sex scandal mark foley and now he s got his own sex scandal. stunned and superified. that sums it up. let s talk about the patriot act. the nsa bulk data collection expires. the senate coming in for a rare surn session tomorrow. what are the political stakes for the white house and congress if a deal is not reached? you know it will certainly cause real instability and some questions about to what extent does this program really end. might they find a way to keep an eye on certain things they have to. the one guy to watch tomorrow throughout the day is rand paul. he has really made this his big
little bit? we probably are. but if you were to poll most americans, i think they would rather overreach just a little bit here to ensure we don t see the coordinated attacks we ve seen in some of the places governor walker mentioned. no doubt about it, jeremy peters a new poll out talking about americans by a wide margin supporting drone warfare. americans want to be kept safe even if they sense there is a bit of an overreach. rand paul will have an interesting fight in his own party. he is. he s pretty much an island on this one. and he will not be letting up. we saw him of course last week mount that filibuster style 11 hour speech. don t expect to see anything like that from him this time. i m told it s hard procedurally to grab the senate floor on a sunday special session like this when every senator is around and can block from you doing that. but he s demanding a vote on some nsa reform amendments ones that would he said all bulk data
single example of a time or a case when these programs not just the bulk data collection but a couple other things set to expire certain wiretap provisions have saved the day, have thwarted terrorism. asked further, can you at least explain a case where they helped things? the white house response has been that he s cases involve classified material. they re not going to share those campbells. in our view you think they would have at least one where they could point to something concrete s and say, this here s an example of why we need these programs but they re not doing that. what they re saying are, these are key tools. they re critical elements of a case. they may not solve the case or lead to stopping a bomb plot or something like that but there are no less important. the white house calls them critical. maybe the most important one to expire seems to be roving wiretaps. they would be used on a suspect that keeps switching cell
between security and privacy rights public sector and private sector agreement on how we go forward and again, ending the data the bulk data collection. we have never gotten this close to seeing the patriot act expire since 9/11? do you think that s because we have so much different concern for privacy and security rights of american citizens? the privacy the balance between security and privacy and liberty is as old as our country. benjamin franklin said if you don t have liberty, you won t have security. and if you don t have security, you won t have liberty. you have to have both. but this is a this is not yesterday s patriot act. this is one that has a progressive member of the judiciary committee as a full participant how we balance security and liberty with