between security and privacy rights public sector and private sector agreement on how we go forward and again, ending the data the bulk data collection. >> we have never gotten this close to seeing the patriot act expire since 9/11? do you think that's because we have so much different concern for privacy and security rights of american citizens? >> the privacy -- the balance between security and privacy and liberty is as old as our country. benjamin franklin said if you don't have liberty, you won't have security. and if you don't have security, you won't have liberty. you have to have both. but this is a -- this is not yesterday's patriot act. this is one that has a progressive member of the judiciary committee as a full participant how we balance security and liberty with