the spanish and the mexican authorities wanted to exterminate the apaches. they created the society for the extermination of the barbarians. anthony: so, the classic cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know, was it the history of violence and the harshness of the landscape that preserved it for so long? roger: yeah. west texas stayed wild, and it s still wild.
cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know, was it the history of violence and the harshness of the landscape that preserved it for so long? roger: yeah. west texas stayed wild, and it s still wild. people have lived on this landscape for 14,000 years. through all these different nation-states and empires that
exterminate the apaches. they created the society for the extermination of the barbarians. anthony: so, the classic cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know, was it the history of violence and the harshness of the landscape that preserved it for so long? roger: yeah. west texas stayed wild, and it s still wild.
cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know, was it the history of violence and the harshness of the landscape that preserved it for so long? roger: yeah. west texas stayed wild, and it s still wild. people have lived on this landscape for 14,000 years. through all these different nation-states and empires that have swept over them. they ve just they persist.
i can t see far enough. anthony: now, i guess unlike a lot of texans who take a rather romantic view of those early days, you seem to view it in a darker prism. roger: it is dark. the story of texas can get a little too polished. it was a conquest, and people forget that. there were people here. the spanish and the mexican authorities wanted to exterminate the apaches. they created the society for the extermination of the barbarians. anthony: so, the classic cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know, was it the history of violence and the harshness of the l