man: it looks good. good job on the food. all: cheers! thank you, guys. man: salud. anthony: so you re looking at texas, and i m looking at mexico. man: that s 100% correct, yeah. the cliffs on our left are mexico, and the ones on our right are the united states. i ve been on several overnights where you re clients almost that forget, yeah, that s mexico right there. and they say, wait, is that mexico? and it s like, yeah, it is. it looks exactly the same as that. woman: we get people from all over the country, all over the world and some of them come in hesitant or scared of the border. man: when they book the trip, they say, should i bring my guns? anthony: right. woman: but the neat thing is that everyone i ve taken out you get to see this transformation from being, like, terrified to
anthony: i know they do meat here in a big way. john: so welcome to good old presidio and ojinaga. anthony: other side of the river, you are currently the mayor of presidio. john: yes, sir. anthony: and you are former mayor of john: ojinaga. how long were you the mayor? victor: from 98 to 2001. anthony: you know when we talk about sister cities, that s serious. john: oh yeah, yeah. anthony: it s almost like an arbitrary line through them. john: on the weekends presidio just kind of empties out. you say, where is everybody? it s because they re here. so, i mean, that s kind of why when there s talk about the border wall, i was like, whoa, wait a minute, we re basically one town here. victor: we always work together, and we never fight. we ve been friends for over 300 years. inseparables. anthony: now, you could come over here, your boyfriend can t
i can t see far enough. anthony: now, i guess unlike a lot of texans who take a rather romantic view of those early days, you seem to view it in a darker prism. roger: it is dark. the story of texas can get a little too polished. it was a conquest, and people forget that. there were people here. the spanish and the mexican authorities wanted to exterminate the apaches. they created the society for the extermination of the barbarians.” anthony: so, the classic cowboy and indian film of scalp-hungry indians was not really the case. roger: well, they took scalps too. but they kind of learned from the anglos, and when the texans came in it intensified. if you were a rancher coming out here in the 1870s, you d better have a lot of guns, because you were an invader. and the people you were invading knew you were an invader. [ meat sizzling ] anthony: oh, damn. you know, if you look at the legend of this place, you know,
the mural tells the story about the death of the sun, the sacrifice that takes place so the sun can be reborn the next day. i had the honor of having a huichol shaman come up from mexico to this site, and he started weeping. and they said, they re all here. all of our grandfathers-grandfathers- grandfathers, they re all here. anthony: so here we are at alpine, texas, talking about the beginning of civilization on the north american continent. the earliest evidence of human