have declined to cooperate with us further, including by providing on the record testimony. we are left with no choice but to issue you this subpoena. earlier this evening, committee member adam schiff had this message for cipollone. he ought to show just a small portion of the courage that cassidy hutchinson displayed. he needs to come out of hiding. he needs to do his patriotic duty. as we mentioned, cipollone was prominently featured in yesterday s testimony. mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don t go up to the capitol, cassidy. please keep in touch with me. we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. and do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? in the days leading up to the 6th, we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. hutchinson also testified abt cipollone s efforts january 6th to get the president to urge h
needed a subpoena as cover, in order for them to finally cooperate. the bill stepien, for example, was initially supposed to testify publicly and he claimed it was due to being subpoenaed by the committee. that being said, people that we spoke to who know pat well said that they find it very unlikely that he is going to testify, that he is a real believer in executive privilege. he thought the court ruling on don mcgahn was wrong, which ultimately compelled mcgahn to appear before the house and testify. so, certainly curious to see how the negotiations and the parameters of the committee and that s lawyers set pan out. jacqueline alemany, it s minor standing that you have some new reporting on trump and cipollone, in light of the investigation. what is their relationship like now? yeah. their relationship is not as amicable as some others who have continued to work directly
something more, as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening, i m alicia menendez, in for stephanie ruhle. after days a very public invitations to come talk, the january 6th committee tonight has issued a formal subpoena for pat cipellone. the move comes just one day after that devastating testimony from cassidy hutchinson, who at the former trump white house counsel s actions ahead of him and during the insurrection. in a statement, the committee writes its investigation has, quote, revealed evidence that mr. cipollone repeatedly raised legal and other concerns about president trump s activities on january 6th and in the days that preceded it. the panel notes cipollone did sit for an informal interview on april 13th. but goes on to say that, unfortunately, however, you
alicia, this is a long-standing play from those in the trump white house, when they ve been called upon to relay information from the time the trump white house, they say it is limited to two too executive privilege. executive privilege does exist but it s not an unfettered, unqualified privilege. it is typically limited to those kinds of communications between the president and his close staff that relate to diplomacy, military matters, things that are really high level. sort of ordinary things, things that go to questions around general mindset or milieu around the office at the time, those would not necessarily be subject to executive privilege around the time. there is going to be a fight around what cipollone testifies to and what he is offering. that will be basically some of these long-standing questions that we ve seen about the scope nature of the executive privilege of asserting. luke, i believe you also have some new reporting on what doj did and did not know about cassi
before her nomination to the supreme court. it is good to see you. luke, let s start with you. you and your colleague maggie haberman a reporting on the cipollone subpoena tonight. he has been resisting former testimony, as liz cheney has been ramping up the public pressure. what do we know about his willingness to cooperate now? we know that the committee s subpoena puts extra leverage on mr. cipollone to come in and testify. my understanding is that as we speak there are negotiations that have started about what he would be willing to talk about, were he to come in. apparently, he s not willing to talk about anything direct conversations with donald trump. and [inaudible] some other topics could perhaps be on the table. that similar to an arrangement that other lawyers for donald trump have agreed to. they have not talked about direct conversations with the president but have been able to talk about other things. pat cipollone did come in and