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street. and facing dozens of counts of child abuse, coach jerry sandusky speaks out in an interview and denies he's a interview and denies he's a pedophile. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com in a predawn raid, occupy wall street protesters were driven out two months after they started camping out. a court is deciding whether they should be allowed in. let's go to poppy harlow. what happened in zuccotti park and what happens next? >> well, wolf, at about 1:00 a.m. this morning, hundreds of new york city police officers raided the park behind me. completely cleared it out of occupy wall street protesters. i was here from 2:00 a.m. on. there were clashes in the streets from protesters and the police. the scene now, this park is surrounded by protesters and supporters of the movement waiting for a result from the courts. the hearing going on right now. what happened is this morning, a new york state supreme court judge issued a ruling saying it was illegal for the protesters to be evicted from the park, and they should be allowed to protest, so all day, you have seen protesters around here telling police they are in contempt of court, that mayor bloomberg has violated the court's ruling. there is a second hearing. it was underway this afternoon. it lasted for about an hour and a half. i'm told the courtroom was packed with supporters of the movement and those opposing it. lawyers for the city and lawyers for the private company that owns this park, we are awaiting the ruling. we will bring it to you as it happens, but i want to take you back to how this all went down starting at about 2:30 a.m. last night. take a look. >> this is what a police state looks like! >> reports about an hour ago that protesters were being evacuated from the park. it was the middle of the night when riot police moved into the park and serving protesters with eviction notices with the ultimate goal of cleaning out the park. it's about 2:50 a.m. and we've been trying to get near the park. you can see a lot of police offers lined up. they're not letting anyone in. some agreed to leave. others refused. by sunrise, the nypd had arrested about 100. >> we're all gathering here to continue to support the need for justice in this world. >> police are trying to clear us all off the street, so we're going to stay on the sidewalk. >> they were pushing us between a car. >> it's 4:40 a.m. we just got into zuccotti park. it took us about three hours to get in. many, many clean-up crews down here. you see some of the tent material from the park. you see some clothes here. you've obviously got some more tarps. blankets here. new york city mayor mike bloomberg justified the eviction on health and safety grounds. >> the first amendment gives everyone the right to speak out, but gives no one the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over. >> before 10:00 this morning, a new york judge issued a temporary restraining order, saying the protesters could not be evicted. >> i have a court order, we will get in the park. if they stop us, it's contempt of court. >> while police served as human barricades aurnd the park, protesters fought to get in. where does the movement go from here? what does this mean? >> means it's not about a physical space or say. it is now worldwide. the terms of the debate have changed around and the deal is now we have to evolve. >> and wolf, our viewers now are looking at live ariel pictures of zuccotti park, where for two months, it has been occupied by protesters. now, it is occupied by new york city police officers and those you see in yellow vests, those are private security guards. they have been here since about 6:00 a.m. this morning. i want to note the latest we have on arrests, we're told by the new york city police department, about 100 arrests have been made. i saw them myself in the early hour of the morning. there were no police injuries here. i do want to tell you though that the protesters were told by the mayor's office in the middle of the night that once the park was cleaned out, they could return. they have not been able to return. i have witnessed some jumping over the barriers to get in to the park. they have been toppled over by police officers because they say you cannot enter this park yet. so protesters have been waited outside all day long. for us as journalists covering this, it took us about three hours to get past police barricades about two blocks away. anywhere from this park. it was very difficult for us to get in. we wanted to show live pictures of the eviction and it was very difficult. we were not allowed to. i pressed for answers as to why and we were not given any answers and eventually, we made it into the park about 4:30 in the morning. >> so you've been there ever since then? 4:00, 3:00 in the morning, you haven't left? is that right? >> that's exactly right. i live close by. i got a call from a protester at 1:30 in the morning. he said we're surrounded on all sides of this park. there's lights shining on us. they're evicting us. i got up, ran down here. i ran home to take a quick shower. that's about it. we're going to stay here especially as we await that ruling from the new york city supreme court which will say whether or not these protesters are allowed back in the park, wolf, and they are waiting that ruling, clearly ready to get back in. just the way i've seen reporting this the last month or so, this has really escalated the movement. >> stand by. as soon as we get that court decision, we'll come back to you. poppy harlow on the scene for us doing an excellent job of reporting the news. other news we're following, every political campaign has its slips, stumbles, but herman cain is meiered in controversy over allegations of sexual harassment and now, with a painfully awkward response to a foreign policy question, he may have dealt a serious blow to his white house hopes. what's the latest, joe? >> if herman cain's brain freeze at the editorial board meeting of a newspaper hadn't been recorded on video, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. but a camera was in the room and now, herman cain and his campaign are on damage control. embarrassing, exkrugsuating to watch, impossible to look the other way. some have said his bumbling initial response to the question, do you agree with obama on libya says a lot about a guy who wants to be commander in chief. >> okay, libya. president obama supported the uprising, correct? president obama called for the removal of gadhafi. just want to make sure i'm talking about the same thing before i say yes. >> in fairness to cain, he did come up with a cogent answer after about a minute and a half. >> i would have done a better job of determining who the opposition is. and i'm sure that our intelligence people had some of that information. >> the video of this meeting went viral, approaching a quarter of a million views on youtube just 24 hours later. and by then, cain was explaining that his halting answer to a simple foreign policy question that's been front and center for most of this year was frankly no big deal. little more than a thoughtful pause, he said. >> nothing happened. i mean, they asked me a question about libya and i paused so i could gather my thoughts. it's really complimentary when people start documenting my pauses. it's one thing to document every word. >> but at a political environment where a candidate's weakest moment is just a click away, it's going to be hard to dismiss and impossible to forget. republican strategist ron bonnji. >> it's a very damaging visual to see, him struggling to form a thought. >> cain also seemed to suggest in the same milwaukee editorial board meeting that featured his long, awkward pause, that he supports collective bargaining for public employees, which is sort of like telling some conservatives in a republican primary to go jump in a lake. cain had to explain that, too. >> i am against collective hijacking. and by that, i mean when and organization pults so many demands on a state that's going to force it to go bankrupt, they're going too far. collective bargaining, they have the right, but i don't support collective hijacking. >> if cain is tiring, remember his other problem. he's also fending off accusations from women who say he sexually harassed them. polls show women voters are turning away. it's true, cain is still leading among likely iowa caucus goers, who will get the first chance in the nation to pick a republican nominee, but some say his path to the nomination is looking like a rough road. >> cain's leading in iowa and some states, but the polls show that the majority of voter rs still having really made up their mind of who they're going to vote for. that means bad news for herman cain when you're making these stumbles. >> when you allow for the margin of error, some of the latest polling shows a statistical dead heat in iowa between cain, paul, romney and gingrich. cain seems to be getting a little ahead of himself at times. he recently met with henry kissinger and said he turned down cain's offer to be secretary of state should cain be elected. kissinger served in the administration's of nixon and ford. >> he's almost 90 years old, so maybe a little old to be secretary of state, but maybe not. >> a lot of flying around. >> a youthful 88 or 89. thanks very, very much. herman cain has certainly gotten himself into a rough spot. gloria, a quick question. can herman cain undo the damage? >> no, i think it's very difficult now at this point no matter how much he spins because it didn't happen in a vacuum. he's already had a problem being considered not a heavy weight when it comes to foreign policy. he's said it's irrelevant he know all the names of foreign leaders and said he didn't need to know someone like the head of quote becky becky becky st stan stan? remember that one? that seems to be his all inclusive answer when asked with that kind o a question and don't forget. this comes on top of the sexual harassment allegations that have been very, very difficult for him. he's been hurt with women. as a result of those allegations, also with the general population. and our most recent poll, wolf, about half of the general population said he shouldn't be running for president. so hard to undoe. >> we checked, henry kissinger is a youthful 88 years old. god bless him. let's talk about bill -- excuse me, barack obama right now. we have our latest cnn o krrrc numbers. his job approval number hovering around the same 46%. but in some areas, he does better. >> take a look at our poll because we asked about how barack obama is handling certain issues. you can see when it comes to foreign policy, iraq, afghanistan, he does very well. unfortunately, on the issues of the american public seems to be focused on right now, health care and the economy, he doesn't do well. so you know, the problem is while voters want someone they believe is a vedable commander in chief and that would be cain's problem right now, they want someone who's going to come ploetly focus on the economy. he's dealing with 9% unemployment. and it's very, very hard to get around that, wolf. >> as the republicans look at the field, who do they think, who appears to have the best chances against an incumbent president? >> right now, in our head to head match-ups, obama versus x, only mitt romney and let me show you this. romney, 51. obama 47. only mitt romney among republicans can beat barack obama, so you know, obama does pretty well against the other republicans. but again, he's dogged by the 9% unemployment and that's a problem for him. but peter hart pointed this out. i think it's an interesting point i haven't heard before. don't forget that barack obama has a solid 44% base. among the american electorate. there is no candidate out there yet that has a 44% base because even romney who does well among republicans, can't seem to get above 25%, so obama has that going for him, but it's a long way between now and next november. >> almost a year. >> almost. >> thanks very much, gloria, for that. the u.s. support is taking up health care. jack cafferty is up next with the "cafferty file." also, jerry sandusky speaking out, insisting he's innocent, r but parts of the interview have left some listeners stunned. and from back row to the front of the gop race for the white house, we catch up with newt gingrich on the campaign trail. also, we're standing by for a ruling on whether the protest from wall street will go back to zuccotti park. you're looking at live pictures. we're all over this story. 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[ john ] i'm grill master john mazany. i'm grill master adrianna hollis. and we sea food differently. jack cafferty's here with the "cafferty file." >> expect the supreme court to light up the 2012 presidential race when it rules on president obama's health care law just a few months before election day. the high courts agreed to decide the constitutionality of the president's signature piece of legislation. the legal challenge comes from a joint filing by 26 states led by florida. the justices will hear two major questions. whether the individual mandate is unconstitutional, can the government force you to buy insurance and if so, whether the entire 2,000 plus page law should be scrapped. the supreme court will hear arguments in late february and march and rule by june. if they strike it down, it would be a huge embarrassment for president obama, but the white house says it's confident that the law will be found constitutional. and political reports the president so confident he didn't even try to stop the high court from fast trackinging the case. mr. obama is gambling and if the court upholds the law, it will validate his epic two-year battle with the congress and if they strike it down, it will fire up the democratic base and energize party donors, but there are big risks. if the court upholds the law, it could fire up the president's opposition even more. the health care debate could hurt the president in some swing sates where his health care push alienated independent voters. and finally, if president obama can't run on health care, it's not like he can run on the economy or reducing the national debt. so here's the question. what's it going to mean to president obama if the supreme court overturns his health care law? go to cnn.com/caffertyfile or go to our facebook page. big stuff next year. >> huge. thank you. the former assistant football coach over at the penn state university, he's at the center of this child sex abuse scandal. he is speaking publicly about the case for the first time. jerry sandusky spoke by phone to nbc's bob costas, but what he said left many stunned and questioning whether he hurt his own cause. listen to this. >> i say that i am innocent of those charges. >> innocent? comple completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect? >> well, i could say that you know, i had done some of those things, i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged him and touched their leg without intent of sexual contact, but -- so, if you look at it that way, there are things that -- wouldn't, you know would be accurate. >> are you a pedophile? >> no. >> are you sexually attracted to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> wow. let's bring in mike galanos from hln. he's at penn state university right now. mike, you've been speaking to people on campus all day. what are they saying about this really remarkable interview? >> first, wolf, it's the word you used. stunned. flabbergasted. the sentiment, what is he doing? why would he give this interview, then disgust, to hear this grown man admit he had showered with young boys. let's listen to some of the students i talked to here today. >> it was just disturbing. i could barely get through it. >> after the things he's done to those boys, it's disgusting and outrageous. >> to hear him say he was horsing around with these young boys and that's just what jocks do is not what jocks do. i'm friends with many athletes here on campus. football player rs, soccer players, and my dad was a coach and that's not what athletes do. >> again, wolf, it's that other word in there. horsing around. two words in there, that really infuriated some of these students, again, picturing jerry sandusky with these young boys. >> there are reports of more victims potentially coming forward. what are you learning on campus? >> well, what we're finding out, wolf, is that in our colleague, jason carroll, did some digging as well. yes, there have been more phone calls. we've heard anywhere from 10 to 12 potential victims coming forward with phone calls. this is an active grand jury investigati investigation. you like at the timeline, wolf, second mile charitable foundation was founded in 1977. first allegation, 1994. 17-year window. then '94 to 2008 when sandusky informs the group he's under investigation. we shudder to think how many more victims could be out there. >> this story is not stopping by any means. all right, mike, thanks very much. many people wrote off his campaign months ago. now, newt gingrich is certainly a top tooer republican presidential hopeful. >> i am much like reagan and margaret thatcher. i am such an unconventional political figure that you need to design a unique campaign that fits the way i operate and what i'm trying to do. >> we catch up with newt gingrich on the campaign trail in iowa where the caucuses are now only seven weeks away. state farm. this is jessica. hey, jessica, jerry neumann with a policy question. jerry, how are you doing? fine, i just got a little fender bender. oh, jerry, i'm so sorry. i would love to help but remember, you dropped us last month. yeah, you know it's funny. it only took 15 minutes to sign up for that new auto insurance company but it's taken a lot longer to hear back. is your car up a pole again? [ crying ] i miss you, jessica! jerry, are you crying? no, i just, i bit my tongue. [ male announcer ] get to a better state. state farm. looking at live pictures from zuccotti park. we're awaiting a ruling by the court on whether the protesters will be aloud to go back in. the middle of the night, the police came in and removed them. many of them under lots of arrest. now, we're waiting for a judge's decision whether those protesters will be allowed to go back in or not. we should get that decision fairly soon. we're all over this story. other news we're following including some political news. as some of his republican rivals stumble, newt gingrich is surging. he's moved from back in the pack to becoming a front-runner. jim acosta caught up with him on the trail in iowa. jim is joining us now. how did he react to this new status, jim? >> wolf, newt gingrich says his recent rise surprises even him. when we sat down with the former speaker, he said this candidly, last summer was the worst time of his political career. that was when his senior staff resigned, but all of that is now behind him. meet the gop's latest fresh face. newt gingrich. >> yesterday afternoon in jefferson, iowa, somebody introduced me as the front-runner. >> yes, the same gingrich who was a walking dead candidate last summer. drawing big crowds in iowa, he is candid about his near death political experience. did you feel dead? >> no, i felt desperate. i didn't feel dead. i've done this for 53 years and the two hardest months of my career were june and july. i am the only candidate running who has actually led at national level. >> but humility has its limits and assessing what went wrong with his campaign, he compared himself to two conservative giants. where did you go wrong? >> i think it was a big mistake to try to bring in conventional consultan consultants. i am such an unconventional political figure that you really need to design a really unique campaign that fits the way i operate and what i'm trying to do. >> gingrich has climbed in the polls by outshining many of his rivals at the gop debates and by selling ideas that sometimes veer from tea party drok trinny. he would spend billions on projects to find cures. >> the best way to control the cost of medicare is to defeat the diseases so people stay healthy. >> but he rails against the washington establishment. despite being a creature of the capitol. you're not a creature of washington? >> no. >> how long have you lived outside of washington since your days as a speaker? >> i've lived in mcclain, virginia for practical reasons. i did work at the central intelligence agency, the pentagon. >> have you spent all of these years -- >> you can call me anything you want to, all right? none of my policy proposals represent the washington establishment. >> there are other contradictions cht one day, he jabs mitt romney as just a manager, the next, he refuses to criticize him. >> authentic conservative. >> i'm not going to get into -- depends on what you mean by authentic. i'm not going to judge mitt romney. the voters will judge mitt romney. >> he wants voters to judge him not on his past, but what his website calling the new newt. >> because this is the new newt? >> go back and get the "time" magazine cover in 1994. where they had me as scrooge holding tiny tim's broken crutch. and the title was "how mean with gingrich's america be." one of the things media did is create a caricature of me, so when people finally saw me in debates, they said, that can't be newt gingrich. because in fact, i'm very different from the media imagery. >> another telling sign of gingrich's sudden surge, he plans to open up his first campaign office here in iowa next week and he's got a lot of campaign cash to deal with. raising $3 million in just a last month. that is a will the of money to do away with those ghosts of political seasons past. >> so, is he going to focus his attention exclusively on iowa or divide it up into new hampshire, south carolina, florida. i know he's got some cash, but he doesn't have as much as mitt romney or rick perry, for that matter. >> that's right. there's a new poll out today showing a four-way race here in iowa, so and that newt gingrich is basically in that top tier. if he can pull off an upset here in iowa, anything kai happen. he's not expected to win new hampshire, but his campaign staff has said in resent days to reporters, they're banking on south carolina. if they can do well in iowa and capture south carolina, they will be on a serious role. >> all right, newt gingrich emerging. thanks very much. herman cain's sound of silence, his painful pause and flub of a rather simple foreign policy question raising new questions about his campaign. our strategy session is next. 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>> well, he seemed very uninformed. he's not using his talking points. when he's not talking about his economic plan, the 9-9-9 plan, which doesn't add up to much at all. he's an unconventional candidate and the normal rules does not apply to herman cain. he is on one day, he's on a book tour. the next day, he's a presidential candidate. the other day, the next day, he's a lecturer. i can't figure him out anymore. >> reagan broke up the air traffic controllers, he wasn't confused about collective bargaining and federal employees. >> reagan had his, too. but the man's under pressure, you can feel the deflation of the campaign. he's listing down in the polls. he has trouble with republican women voters and that takes a toll on somebody who a neek and a half ago was riding high and he has to be worrying with the same things the pundit class worries about. >> it's like a sexual harassment allegations, that's one thing. the painful pause on the libya question, the collective bargaining and some of the other issues he's had problems with. can his campaign come back? >> there's so much volatility in the republican race, so you can't count anybody out given the fact the republicans are not enamored with mitt romney. so right now, he's going to continue to float along until the republicans decide on their nominee. i looked it up today. it takes 2,287 delegates to attend the convention. he needs 1100 people to support him. i don't see it happening, but this is becoming quite entertaining for democrats. >> in terms of the republican feel, explain this to me. and david, in terms of intellect, experience, knowledge about these issue, herman cain emerged at one point as front-runner. jon huntsman, former u.s. ambassador to china, very, very smart guy, he's sort of at the bottom of the polls. >> the republicans have until now, i hope this soon changes, been casting for the job of obama critic in chief. they're looking for the person who can deliver the most intense attack on the president and that herman cain can do. they haven't focused on the possibility, this person you nominate, they could actually win and there's actually a life beyond election day. there's inauguration day and four years after that, which one of these people can do the job of wg president. that is the only question that matters. the very vulnerable incumbent president now, he could well lose. it's important to pick someone who can really do that job. >> and it's important to pick somebody who could actually be a commander in chief. >> some of these individuals, the closest they will get to the oval office is a guided tour. huntsman is a very attractive candidate, but this is a very unusual year. the republicans are looking for somebody to beat president obama. the country is looking for a leader who can change the dynamics of the economy. lost tapes from the days of kennedy's assassination. now, they've resurfaced and are for sale and it's only been done successfully twice in u.s. history. details of efforts in one state to recall the governor. they're kicking off today. this new at&t 4g lte is fast. did you hear sam... ...got promoted to director? 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[ buzzer ] [ male announcer ] finding the must have soul by ludacris headphones for $199.99 at radioshack. so right. ♪ just recapping the breaking news, a judge in new york city has delivered another setback to the occupy wall street protesters. they were removed in the middle of the night, 2:30, 3:30 a.m., a judge in new york, a supreme court justice ruling not to extend the temporary restraining order that prevents the eviction of the protesters that had been, who had been encamped in zuccotti park. police in riot gear cleared out the protesters. there were dozens of arrests. the protesters are not in zuccotti park right now. right now, these are live pictures. you can see the area is barricaded. police in riot gear are there. they're watching it closely, but this judge says those occupy wall street protesters can't go back, flooat least for now. more coming up at the top of the hour, but let's check in with jack and the "cafferty file." >> my understanding earlier that mayor bloomberg said they could go back into the park as long as they didn't bring tents, sleeping bags and tarp, but they would be allowed back in once they got cleaned up. is that no honger an option? >> they want to say there. they don't want to go in for a fu hours then go home. they want to stay there. >> still to be determined i suppose. what will it mean to president obama if the supreme court pardon me, overturns his health care law? david reid to fast track the case, the decision will come down probably about four months before election day next year. ann in south carolina writes president obama will be heartbroken. he'll probably lose the election, but he'll get over it. the more important question is what will it mean to the 50 million american who is can't afford health insurance? david in missouri writes it will mean we're free at last of the oppressive nanny state dream that did not work in europe and will not work here. tom in maine writes everybody's notices there are no health panels killing grandmothers, parents are seeing the benefits such as coverage of young people. if affordable health care is ruled unconstitutional, the public will demand a reinstatement of it in a form the court will allow. sue in tennessee writes in a word, toast. instead of building a consensus, mr. obama chose to push it down our throats. some provisions are good, but for the most part, it's a mess. willie in texas writes it means obama's next project will be his library. it means he'll leave office with accomplishing little. go to my blog or through our post on "the situation room's" facebook page. it will be an sbresing summer when that decision comes down. wisconsin democrats and labor unions have been gearing up for this moment ever since last february's showdown with scott walker. now, there are massive recall effort is underway. let's go live to ted rolens on the scene for us. what's the latest? >> well, wolf, the talking about it since last february. they had to wait until walker was in office for one year, but as you mentioned, the effort to recall him is now officially underway. the recall of governor scott walker was a constant threat last winter from protesters inside and outside the wisconsin capital. because of walker's push for a new law limiting collective bargaining rights for public employees. this morning at 12:01, democrats and union organizers got together to mark the exact moment they could legally start collecting signatures to force a walker recall. signalling that more than seven months after the law was passed, the political showdown in wisconsin isn't over. >> we've got in the next week or so, hundreds of events that are going to be happening all over the state. >> forcing a recall isn't easy. organizers have two months to collect 540,000 valid signatures. about 9,000 a day. walker meanwhile is fighting back with this television ad. >> wisconsin's best days are yet to come. >> only two u.s. governors have been recalled. lynn frazier in 1921 and california's gray davis in 2003. he lost a recall election to arnold schwarzenegger. if enough signatures are collected to force a recall in wisconsin, an election would likely be held sometime next summer and we should add that there are three senators that are being subjected, state senators, to recall efforts as well here. bottom line here is this is playing out in wisconsin, but it is being watched nationwide and millions of dollars from both sides are funneling into the state while this battleground in wisconsin -- takes place in wisconsin, but this is not as much about wisconsin as it is about politics in general in this country and ohio we should note, they had a similar law, but it was repealed by voters this year. that isn't an option in wisconsin because they don't have a referendum process to appeal a law. >> the stakes are enormous for wisconsin and other states as well. thanks for that. fire works erupting on capitol hill over the troops withdrawal from iraq. the defense secretary of the united states is responding to fierce claims president obama's putting the country's national security at risk. also, an explosive new twist in the penn state university child sex abuse scandal. did jerry sandusky incriminate himself in a new interview? and gabrielle giffords speaking publicly again today. you're going to find out what she's telling constituents just months after being shot in the head. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around in the united states and around the world. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> a new york judge ruling moments ago not to extend the temporary restraining order preventing the eviction of those protesters camped out at zuccotti park. that's the home base for the movement. let's go to poppy harlow. she's on the scene for us for the latest. poppy, a setback to the occupy protesters. they wanted to go back into the park. the supreme court justice of new york saying not so fast. >> that's right, wolf. the way that we are reading this right now as we pore through it is that the protesters will be allowed in the back. they're not allowed in right now, but they will be allowed in the park. they just can't camp out overnight in the park. i want to read to you a bit of this ruling then we'll bring in a guest. the court is mindful of movements first amendment rights of freedom of speech, however even protected speech is not equally permissible in all places at all times. he went on to say and i found this very interesting, he said the movement's have not demonstrated they have a first amendment right to remain in zuccotti park along with their tents, structures, generators to the exclusion of the owner's reasonable rights and duties to maintain the park to the rights of public access, so if you read through this, the judge is ruling protesters can be in the park, but can't be there with their structures, their tents, camped out there 24/7. he's saying they do not have a first amendment right to do that. i want to bring in amos fisher. what do you make of this ruling? >> it's hard to expect much else. we default our government defaults to taking violent action against things that disrupt the normal way and so the same way that we as humans tend to default to anger when someone offends us, it's the -- it's the natural reaction of the police to force us out and to -- and i hardly think that the issue is whether it's legal because the whole idea here is that the rules are slanted. in favor of money, in favor of various kinds of privilege and ties between corporations and government that are unjust, so the idea, the question of whether we it's legal for us to be here is kind of a moot point because rosa parks was certainly not allowed to sit where she sat and that sparked a whole movement and the point was made. because the law was unjust. >> you mentioned violence. were you in this park overnight as it was evicted? >> no, i came about an hour later. >> can you clarify what you mean by violence? are you speaking about violence on the part of the nypd? >> i saw many officers poking people in the ribs very hard with batons who were doing nothing violent and i saw them wrench people's arms out from each other and a girl was being carried out with holding her head. >> so, i want to get to your point quickly here, wolf. amos, you likened this to the civil rights movement, the rosa parks. do you think this is at that scale? do you believe that you are fighting for something as important as civil rights in ryis cnt? >> far more important becae it has nothing to do with, it has nothing to do with any designation, class, gender, anything. it has everything to do with humanity and how because like i heard it describe d as our form of capitalism, like a corporate capitalism. someone referred to it as inverted -- nameless as far as the corporations hold sway over the government. so that, i feel like, in the same way that a corporation has no loyalty to a nation state, this movement has no loyalty to any particular class of person, so i think it's much grander than simply civil rights movement and i think these days, a lot of these wars between, or battles and prejudices that exist, human rights and such, are often served to serve as no more than a distraction from the real issue, which is keeping people, keeping people at the bottom by divided them. >> thank you. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. we want to follow what happens next to you. i think what we're standing by for is to see if and when this park is opened up to the many protesters you hear chanting and the drum circling behind me. they want to get back inside and the question is will try to stay overnight? >> the judge is saying they can go back, but can't put their tents up, stay overnight. thanks very much. let's get to another important story we're following. the chilling child sex abuse scandal haunting penn state university. we're learning now that the justice department here in washington has agreed to assist in the investigation if needed. this is a rather awkward interview. there is an awkward interview that's raising critical new questions about the suspect at the center of this. the former assistant football coach, jerry sandusky. he is firmly denying to nbc news the charges and is revealing in some instances. i want you to listen closely to this chunk of the interview. >> i say that i am innocent of those charges. >> innocent? completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect? >> well, i could say that you know, i have done some of those things. i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged them and i've -- i have touched their leg. without intent of sexual contact, but -- so, if you look at it that way, there are things that -- that wouldn't -- you know, would be accurate. >> are are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with these underaged boys? >> yes, i am. >> never touched their genitals? never engaged in oral sex? >> right. >> how would you define the part you played? what are you willing to concede that you've done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it? >> in retrospect, i shouldn't have showered with those kids. so -- >> that's it? >> yeah, that's -- that's what hits me the most. >> are you a pedophile? >> no. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys? to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underaged boys? i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> let's talk a little bit more about this video interview. joining us now, jeffrey toobin. give us your immediate reaction when you heard some of those answers, jeff? >> god, you know, the one thing, i've heard it now many times. the one thing that is so haunting about that is when costas asks him are you sexually attracted to young children and there's that unforgettable pause and you just want to -- just like how many people when asked if they're sexually attracted to children wouldn't scream out no, of course. it is so chilling and so weird and the large rer question is why in the world would he have agreed to do this and why would he have made these admissions. >> why would he do it? that was inexplicable to me. why would he, his attorneys, want him to go on television and say these things? >> i'm not sure his attorney authorized it to tell you the truth. but one of the things i've learned in covering these high pro file cases, people on each side, including the unpopular side, are desperate to get their story out. they say why isn't anyone telling my side of the story. so they really, they tell their lawyers, get out there, get out there. and they often do it before they know what to say and i think nas what happened yesterday. now, if his lawyer had gone out there and said look, whatever happened to the presumgts of innocence? what about the mcmartin preschool where people were unjustly accused of sexual abuse? that would have been fine, that would been appropriate. but to go out there and make admissions about showers with children which most regard as repugnant and awful, they certainly did more harm than good. >> so, from a legal standpoint, did he incriminate himself? >> oh, absolutely. first of all, those, that tape can be played in a courtroom. that is completely admissible evidence if the prosecutors choose to use it and without that tape, they would have had to prove that sandusky showered with children and that's not suf a simple thing. there are not a lot of witnesses to it. not all the alleged victims have been identified. some of the people like the janitor who discovered him in the shower once now apparently has dimension, so he couldn't testify. this is krit rall evidence. now, it doesn't prove sexual contact. it doesn't prove the sexual assaults that are charged, but certainly, it takes the prosecution a pretty far way when you have an admission that he took a shower repeatedly with children. that's a big fact that the prosecutor cou prosecution will want to use. >> when he says i was just horsing around with these young guys, that's going to be the defense argument. >> yes, and lots of luck with that. first of all, it is not -- it's just -- i think it's going to be difficult to persuade a jury that when you have witnesses saying that there was sex in the shower and you have a defendant admitting there was showering together between a very much grown man and a very young child, it's going to be hard to persuade a jury it was just horsing around. >> thank you. other news we're following, amazing new video of gabrielle giffordses and her road to recovery. in the months after she was shot down during the deadly tucson massacre, we've learned a great deal. she revealed a video and spoke publicly for the first time last night in an interview with abc news. giffords isn't stopping there. her office now releasing an audio message she recorded for her constituents in arizona. let's bring in deborah fayerick. >> you know, gabrielle giffords is so courageous. she's telling them she's ready to get back to work, but she's aware the road is a long one. she's got a lot to do and it's going to be very hard. among the most powerful images recorded by her husband is this one. >> are you sad? it is going to get better. why are you laughing? >> the video aired on abc in a diane sawyer exclusive interview. asked how she felt about the shooting that left six dead? >> i cried. cried. >> sad. >> sad. sad. lot of people died. >> hurts your heart. >> yes, yes, yes. tough, tough, tough. >> she tells abc she remembers nothing from that day. >> that day is gone. >> gone. >> nor is she angry about it. >> no. no. no. >> no? >> no. life. life. >> the home movies taken by kelly in the last 11 months show how much music has helped her recovery, enabling her to find words after the shooting. ♪ i love helping her remember songs. ♪ let it shine let it shine let it shine ♪ >> excellent. >> even coaxing her with the help of a therapist to take her first steps. >> beautiful! >> the bullet tore through the left side of her brain, which controls speech and language. giffords spends two hours with a therapist, learning to find words, make short sentences and move her right side. asked by abc if she'll go back to congress -- >> no, better. >> it's better? >> oh. >> she wants to get better. >> better. >> you want to get better. >> better. >> and so, you think to yourself, i'll go back to congress if i get better? >> yes, yes, yes. >> today, in a brief recorded message on her official facebook site, giffords tells her constituents she's anxious to get back to work representing them. >> i'm getting stronger. i'm getting better. i want to get back to work. representing arizona is my honor. >> the message coincides with a hearing on capitol hill in which a woman who witnessed the giffords shooting asked for more stringent gun laws including universal background checks. in the interview, mark kelly, her husband, says that the couple were planning to have a baby through in vitro fertilization. she was shot the week before the procedure was to have taken place. life is really set on a dimpt course, but when you watch her, there is this brightness, this charis charisma. you can see flashes of humor. it's as if her brain, her eyes, they're processing a all this information. >> she's just going to get stronger and stronger every week, every month, every year. bob woodruff was shot in the head in iraq. he's getting remarkably better shortly after within a year and now, it's amazing, so i'm confident that congresswoman gabrielle giffords, she's going to be fine. it's just going to take some time and we're praying and hoping for only the best. thanks very much for that. a congressional showdown over the war in iraq the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time. >> u.s. military forces will withdraw from the country by next month. i continue to believe that this decision represents a failure of leadership both iraqi and american. >> why the defense secretary of the united states is charging those claims by senator mccain are simply not true. and a deadly new blast in iran. could it be a sign of new attempts to derail the country's nuclear program? 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go to cnn.com/kafr fityfile and post a comment. this is a long, slow slog back to some sort of economic prosperity. >> it certainly is very, very difficult. stick around because later this hour, i'll be speaking with marco rubio, chris coons, about their effort to get some jobs created. they're actually working together. get this. a democratic and a republican, they're working together to create jobs for the american people. a good story. we're going to hear from both of these freshman senators this hour. high stakes also on capitol hill for the obama administration today over its recent decision to pull all troops out of iraq by the end of this year. let's bring in barbara starr with the latest. fireworks on capitol hill today. >> you know, wolf, you might have thought it was the battle days of the iraq war when you listen to this hearing, this may be one of the last hearings on capitol hill that we will see about the war in iraq. the most tension filled congressional showdown on the iraq war in years. republican senator john mccain. he wants some troops to stay. defense secretary leon panetta. he has to get the last 30,000 out by the end of the year. >> the truth is that this administration was commended to the complete withdrawal of u.s. troops from iraq and they made it happen. >> senator mccain, that's just simply not true. i guess you can believe that and i respect your beliefs -- >> and i respect your opinion and the outcome is exactly as predicted. >> but that's not how it happened. >> it is how it happened cht. >> the pentagon says it wanted to keep some troops in iraq to help train and support iraqi forces, but could not reach an agreement with prime minister maliki's government, so the troops have to go. republicans insist the withdrawal is driven by white house presidential politics. >> secretary panetta, you are a politician in another life. would it be a political problem for president obama to announce this year that we're going to keep 15,000 people in iraq? past 2012? did that ever get considered in this administration? did anybody ever talk about the numbers changing because the democratic base would be upset if the president broke his campaign promise? >> panetta insisted it wasn't a political decision. >> can you tell the committee, general dempsey, if there was any military commander who recommended we completely withdraw from iraq? >> no, senator, none of us recommended that we completely withdraw from iraq. >> and in fact, at one point, some u.s. military commanders wanted to keep up to 19,000 u.s. troops there to help the iraqi forces, but also, to provide a kr critical security hedge against next door iran. wolf snfl. >> but the key issue is involved immunity for those remaining u.s. troops. 5,000 or 10,000 u.s. troops were going to remain at the end of this year in iraq. the iraqi government of al maliki, he refused to give them immunity. no president, no commander in chief is going to send troops off to serve in iraq without that kind of immunity and al maliki said no way. so how did the senators react to that? >> there was discussion about this. it appears to be a complex legal matter inside iraq's government. the u.s. wanted that agreement to go through the iraqi legislative body. maliki said he couldn't deliver that. the question's still ongoing about whether there could be some sort of deal in which a smaller number of u.s. troops might rotate in and out of iraq, providing training, assistance, that sort of thing. >> my own sense is that al maliki was reacting to pressure b that iran. he's more interested in what the view is in tehran than washington. we'll see how he gets received in washington in a couple of weeks. thanks very much for that. iraq is sure to be a major part of cnn's republican national security debate. that's one week from today. tuesday night, november 22nd, 8:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be the moderator. we'll be live from constitution hall here in washington. herman cain has labeled himself the anti washington candidate. some say he's actual the anti woman candidate. that story and a lot more news coming up. i remember the days before copd. my son and i never missed opening day. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. with symbicort, today i'm breathing better, and that means... game on! symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infections, osteoporosis, and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. 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>> what first brought us to together, a friend who's encouraged us since we both became senators about a year ago, to get to know each other, work together and exchange ideas. privately, the senators i've met in my first year here, both republican and democrat, really want to be working together. sometimes, it just takes being willing to take the risk, take the first move. i think this has been a good experience for both of us. >> how much grief senator rubio, do you think you could get from some of those tea party activists when they see you collaborating with a democrat like chris coons? >> i don't think that's going to be the issue. people want to see jobs being created. most importantly, people look at us and say at least work together on the things you agri on. there's plenty to fight over. there's plenty to disagree on. that's why we have elections, but thiz are the things we agree on. the people deserve us to be working for them. >>. >> while all this is commendable and senator coons, i want you to washington in. i went through your proposals and there's a lot of tax stuff in there. as complicated as the u.s. tax code is right now, doesn't this further complicate the u.s. tax system? >> well, we need to make progress towards a simpler, clear tax code that is easier to follow and implement, but in an environment where we haven't done comprehensive tax reform, i think the simple, positive tax changes this bill proposes, things that have been enjoyed by partisan support, both houses, both parties, are worth moving forward. there are things in this bill that would encourage small business formation, small businesses being able to grow. but there's also provisions that encourage american innovate rers that protects property and encourages america's veterans to take on entrepreneurship. in some ways, i think the most important thing we've worked on was a common sense bill that has proposals that both houses ought to be able to pass. >> senator rubio, your leaders, mitch mcconnell, harry reid, are they on board? >> i can tell you senator mcconnell has said he thinks it's a good idea and i hope we can enlist his help moving forward. i'm optimistic. these are ideas that people have come on board and supported already. there is no excuse this thing shouldn't pass quickly. >> have you spoken to harry reid? >> i've spoken with others in leadership and many of the senators i've approached in the weeks leading up to today and today in my caucus, were very responsive. it's my hope as it is senator rubios that we will see co sponsors grow and see the house decide to join us in what i think is a very common sense, passable package of job creating reform. >> have you checked in with your frepds over at the white house? >> not yet. >> why not? >> in my view, this is the kind of thing congress needs to start. many of these came out in the president's jobs counsel or jobs act. i didn't expect it would run into any opposition from the white house since many of the ideas in here were originally proposed soth jobs counsel which the president performed. steve case, start-up america, the entrepreneurship initiative, and who serves on the president's counsel on jobs and competitiveness, spoke today. he spoke positively in favor of it. so, it's my hope, my expectation, that most of the element of this bill will enjoy support from the administration. >> we're out of time, but a quick political question. florida primary coming up not that long away. end of january. you ready to endorse any of these republican candidates? >> no, and i probably won't. i'm excited about florida's role there and the issues the candidates will have to face. looking forward to hear a national security debate coming up soon. >> next week, if you want tickets to constitution hall, talk to me. i think i can help you get in. thanks very much. we're really hopeful that maybe this is a sign that democrats and republicans finally can work together and do something for the american people. good luck. >> thanks. rick perry unveils a sweeping new vision for overhauling washington. dramatic deteals of his plan to quote tear down the monuments to failure. and more huge losses for the postal service. we're going to tell you how far it's in the red. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some people just know how to build things well. give you and your loved ones an expertly engineered mercedes-benz... ho ho ho! ...at the winter event going on now. but hurry -- the offer ends soon. 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[ male announcer ] ...without their even knowing it. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. let's continue the breaking news that we reported earlier this hour. some of those protesters getting a setback from a new york state supreme court judge who ruled they couldn't go back with their tents, tarps, generators, sleep there overnight. they are allowed to go back under restricted circumstances. poppy harlow is on the scene for us. i take it some are being allowed to go through police lines right now and go back into zuccotti park. is that right, poppy? >> that's absolutely right, wolf. this happened in just the last two minutes. some of those police barricades on the periphery were opened up. protesters were allowed back in. you heard cheering here as they were allowed back in, however though, before police opened the barricades, they said over a loud speaker, you cannot bring tents in, no large bags. no large containers that would hold probted items. things like generators, et cetera. so, they're allowing them in with small personal items. this comes about 40 minutes after the new york state supreme court handed down a decision reversing an earlier decision today saying it prohibited the eviction of these protesters was not warranted and when you read through this decision, essentially saying that protesters are allowed in this park, wolf, but they are not allowed to camp out here and set up shop here. so you're seeing more and more protesters coming into the park here now, wolf. >> so, they're coming in -- they're coming in as you say and we see live pictures from new york right now. this is video, but we see a lot of police officers on the scene. there, so they can come in, they can't bring their tents. they can't bring their generators. they can't bring a whole lot of food supplies for that matter. i suspect given the passions , some protesters will want to spend the night even if they don't have a tent. what will the police do under these circumstances? >> i think there's tho question about it that you're going to see some protesters here. they've told me they want to spend the night and will do what they have to do for that. it's a big question right now what police can do because they're not allowing in tents and some of the bigger items, but if people want to sleep in the park, they likely could. wolf, you asked me a question in the last hour about zuccotti park and it is a privately owned park, but it is a public space, so we looked into that and here is likely why that is. there are a number of these situations across new york and big cities across america where big developers like this developer who developed this park, what they do is that they are, they make a deal with the city. they develop large buildings like the one behind me and they sometimes get tax break or incentives to build there and in return, they say to the city, we will offer this open space for the public. we don't know exactly what happened with this company -- there have been a lot of questions on twitter, a lot of questions coming to you about why a privately owned park in a public space, why this could happen and that is likely the case here. >> good work. poppy harlow on the scene for us at zuccotti park in new york. some of those protesters beginning to come back in, but under new restrictions not allowing them to camp there overnight with tents, tarps, generators, anything along those lines. we'll see what happens with the occupy wall street protesters returning to the zuccotti park in new york. much more news coming up right after this. act my age? -why? -why? -why? [ female announcer ] we all age differently. roc® multi-correxion 4 zone moisturizer with roc®retinol and antioxidants. lines, wrinkles, and sun damage will fade. roc multi-correxion. correct what ages you. joe johns is monitoring some of the other stop stories. >> rick perry is unveiling a far reaching plan to overhaul the federal government. speaking at a campaign stop in iowa, perry said he would in his words, uproot, tear down and rebuild the three branches of govlt. among his ideas, eliminate the departments of commerce, education and energy and impose term limits of what he calls activist judges and create a part time congress. president obama is on his way to australia where he'll announce an increased military presence in that country. marines will begin training while warships will increase their use of naval facilities. mr. obama's next stop, indonesia, where he lived as a child. more problems for the u.s. postal service. the agency is reporting $5.1 billion in losses for the most revent fiscal year. mail declined a little less than 2% over the year. apparently, it's all about the economy and people are using the internet more. >> they are. let's go to iran where there are new efforts could be underway to throw the country's nuclear program off course cht jill daugherty is working the story for us. >> you know, this stand off with iran over its nuclear program is beginning to sound like a spy movie, but it's not fiction. a massive explosion at iran's missile base southwest of tehran. and indications that a potentially crippling computer virus has struck an industrial equipment computers in the country. two incidents the week after a u.n. report accusing iran of continues to try to develop nuclear weapons raised the sabotage by companies the detail iran's nuclear program. >> the cyber weapon, assassinatio assassinations, these sorts of sabotage attacks, it doesn't look like it's reached the level where it has the ability to completely cripple iran's an bigss, but it certainly has the potential to slow down their program considerably. >> it's not the first time a spade of iranian nuclear scientists assassinated and kidnapped and the computer virus crippled iran's equipment. this week, iran media reports it's been hit with spyware designed to steal intelligence on industrial equipment. the file one computer research lab found has a fake fund called dexter regular. a reference by its creators to show time series about a cunning murderer. >> i'm a serial killer. >> the blast at the missile base reportedly killed 17 member of the elite revolutionary guard core along with a general believed to be the architect of iran's mizell program. the base houses shahab 3 missiles, which experts say iran could use to deliver a nuclear warhead. some in iran reportedly accuse israel. israel's defense minister says i don't know the extent of the explosion, but it would be desirable if they multiplied. the obama administration accusing tehran of plotting to assassinate the saudi ambassador to washington. but the saudis say even if they were the potential victims, military action would be catastrophic. >> the retaliation by iran would worldwide. it's not going to be confined to one or two targets let's say in the gulf. but it will include a lot of -- u.s. and other interests throughout the world. >> and a u.s. officials tells conditioned on that explosion that it probably wasn't the safest facility, but it's still unclear what did cause that explosion and they continue to look into it. >> thanks very much. an important story developing, obviously, in iran. we're getting a new statement in from the mayor of new york city. we'll have that for you. jack cafferty's asking when do you think the job market will improve? and what do you do when your iphone breaks? one man called 911. honey, i love you... oh my gosh, oh my gosh.. look at these big pieces of potato. ♪ what's that? big piece of potato. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. ford fusion has now been named the most dependable big piece of potato. midsize car by jd power and associates. we go to kimberly. any thoughts on this news? i have no idea what's goin on. we are out. what was that? they told me it's the most dependable midsize sedan and they ran back into their little box. we are just getting a statement in from the new york city mayor michael bloomberg on the reopening under certain circumstances to zuccotti park the base of the wall protesters, the mayor says the city has ultimate responsibility to protect public health and safety, and we will continue to ensure that everyone can express themselves in new york city. zuccotti park will remain open to all who want to enjoy it, as long as they abide by the park's rules. and the mayor's making it clear, no tents, no tarps, no prolonged stays overnight, nothing along those lines, including generators. we'll stay on top of this story. back to jack. he's got "the cafferty file." >> when do you think the job market's going to improve? cal in california writes we only have to look at history to answer this question. the trend of every previous recession that is each has taken longer to recover than the one before it. middle class jobs are always the last thing to come back. if past trending holds true we won't see a true jobs recovry until 2013. brad in oregon writes, i don't think the job market's going to improve substantially. i think this is the new normal. outsourcing, globalization has wiped out a lot of jobs in the u.s. for good. corporations will do the work wherever it's cheapest, and we can't compete with the a dollar a delay third world wages. richard writes in ohio, things are slowly improving in northeastern ohio. youngs town, gir ard warren are anticipating growth from a new steel mill and from drilling from natural gas. the spin-off jobs will be created in 1 to 1 1/2 years. as soon as the government gets out of the way. the federal reserve chairman, the president or somebody in congress makes a statement the market crashes. i suggest they let the free markets work, no more corporatism and much moron paul. larry in boston writes, when companies see consistency from washington, d.c., and some leadership to address the spiralinging deficit spending, we'll see jobs return. when citizens see their elected leaders dealing with problems on the shared basis, we'll see jobs return. when we have term limits in congress and publicly financed elections, we'll see jobs return. now, in other words, never. and lou writes the job market will return when the politicians and media quit scaring everybody into believing the sky's falling. it's a cycle. people are scared so they quit buying which accounts for the largest chunk of our economy. less buying scares businesses so they stop hiring. to break out we need long periods of good reports, and they're out there. we're getting tired of the constant gloom and doom. if you want to read more about this, go to my blog, cnn.com/cafferty file or the post on "the situation room's" facebook page. >> thank you. an illinois man may have taken a drunk dialing to a new level. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only from liberty mutual insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money to buy a car that's one model-year newer... with 15,000 fewer miles on it. there's no other auto insurance product like it. better car replacement, available only from liberty mutual. it's a better policy that gets you a better car. call... or visit one of our local offices today, and we'll provide the coverage you need at the right price. liberty mutual auto insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service, and want to lay off over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem ? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains 5 billion a year from post-office revenue while the postal service is forced to overpay billions more into federal accounts. congress created this problem, and congress can fix it. i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing. a man dials 911 for help with his iphone but instead of advice, he gets arrested. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: these day, if your iphone doesn't work, it's practically an i-mergency. >> yes, i do my emergency is my [ bleep ] phone don't work. >> reporter: 48-year-old michael was so upset with his iphone he called 911 in kendall county, illinois. >> how about i smash this phone on the floor okay? why can't i dial the numbers i used to be able to dial. >> i do not know that. >> reporter: they didn't call 911 once, he didn't call twice. he called five times. call number one -- >> you're tying up a phone line. >> i know, i know i'm doing that but it ain't my fault. it's [ bleep ] at&t's fault. >> reporter: here's how call number two ended -- >> thank you [ bleep ]. [ bleep ] yourself. >> you have a good night, sir. >> reporter: he did have a reason for calling 911. he said it was the only number his phone could dial. by call number three, the dispatcher was still remarkably patient, considering police described him as appearing intoxicated. >> the best bet is to probably either go to an at&t store or -- >> how about i just blow this phone up? >> reporter: you can scare an iphone with threats. they've even been blended. by his fourth call the dispatcher tried getting his address. >> we can have an officer come out and maybe he can help you. >> he can't help me. >> how do you know? >> because they'll shoot me with a gun. >> oh. >> reporter: call number five, the dispatcher's just about had it. >> you mean you're going waste a police officer's time to come out? >> you're wasting my time, sir. >> well, it's easier to waste your time than the police officer zblps why is it easier to waste my time? >> reporter: for the idea of sending an officer. >> well, that's pretty dumb. >> on whose part? >> reporter: his final words to the dispatcher -- >> all right. whatever. go to

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