welcome back, everybody. this the beach hut, cafe. they are very busy. i think this is the busiest diner that we have been in at 7:00 in the morning. we're glad they're having us. you're listening to luther vandross, "the power of love," my selection. let's introduce you to our panel. cnn political contributor and republican consultant and maria cardo cardona, democratic strategist. and david frum, let's get a shot of david frum's chair. i've committed to mocking david frum this morning because he is late for my show and when you have -- >> arrive with sleep in his eyes. >> i'm told it's not his fault. too bad, we don't care. we're moving on. let's talk a little bit about this final debate last night. it is the debate right before florida republicans will vote and stakes were very, very high. mitt romney and newt gingrich really going at it all night with jabs. was there a clear winner in addition to our panelist who got florida republican congressman is in miami. endorsed newt gingrich. thanks for being with us. certainly appreciate your time. how do you think -- i don't know that you're ready for us yet. all right. we'll start. you guys let me know when he's ready. panelists. mr. rivera is getting ready. who do you think won? and don't give me the, i'm a republican, i'm a democrat, you know, here's who i'm supporting. >> we never do that. we never do that. >> never, never. >> last night, last night was, i think -- i think the best performance of the stage last night. i want to say this actually was wolf blitzer. >> yeah. >> he did a very good job last night. two things. one is when the candidates pushed back, wolf pushed back against them, especially, for example, newt gingrich in that exchain. >> you think wolf blitzer won the debate? >> i think he did a perfect job. he let the candidates run and go at each other when they really had something to say. so we got a very good debate. who won last night? i think mitt romney took the debate last night. he was a alpha dog last night. newt gingrich seemed a little passive. and when romney pushed back on gingrich's investments that was a key moment. >> i believe that congressman david rivera is ready for us right now. i would guess that he's going to disagree with you because, of course, he is endorsing newt gingrich. am i right, congressman? >> you're absolutely correct. i thought newt gingrich did as well as he's done in previous debates when he's, of course, being congratulated for a lot of folks over the months. and certainly over the last few weeks during this primary campaign. and i think the voter os florida will recognize that coming next tuesday. >> one of the moments in the debate, and there was lots of focus on immigration, obviously. i thought there was tons of issues finally being discussed in this particular debate. i thought it was really good. here's what they talked about in terms of english language. this went on for a little bit in the debate. let's play it. >> and my point was, no one should be trapped in a linguistic situation where they can't go out and get a job and they can't go out and work. >> so congressman rivera, newt gingrich as you know has got a lot of flack for that because he basically had at one point referred to language of the ghetto. do you think he deserved the backlash that he got from that and the conversation that happened in this debate last night? >> no, of course not. newt gingrich has been one of the foremost at hadvocates in t republican party reaching out to the hispanic community. when he was speaking of the house he helped pass an important immigration reform legislation which helped many nicaraguan-americans or central americans achieve the american dream. over the years even after he left the speakership he's been pushing into republican party, inside the republican party, and as a private citizen, to make sure that we do everything possible to reach out to the hispanic community. the pat way to the american dream in america as all hispanics will agree is making sure we do everything possible to educate our children, that they are extremely proficient in the english language, all americans and particularly hispanic americans understand that that's important. that's why speaker gingrich is trying to make that point. he wants the american dream for all hispanics. >> and i understand that, but i think the words that were used, and we could play this chunk, he literally said the language of living in a ghetto. i do think, sir, when you're tacking at latinos that you're talking about language of the ghetto. i want to play that clunk first and then get you to respond. >> we should replace bilingual education with immersion in english so people learn the common language of the country and so they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto. >> language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto. congressman rivera, that's from 2007. that's a tough one to spin, i think, isn't it? >> well, not at all. not if you believe in the american dream. and i think most hispanic-americans belief in the american dream and they want prosperity for their children and grandchildren. that's what we're all about and that's what newt gingrich is all about. he wants to make thur that we make all americans as proficient as possible in english. every hispanic-american, parent, has children or grandchildren in school, that's what they want. they want their children to move up the ladder and be able to go on and further their education. do everything possible to achieve the american dream. and one of the important elements in this country to achieving the american dream is making sure our children are proficient in english. how can anybody possibly be against making sure hispanic-americans and all americans are proficient in english as possible. >> congressman, congressman, this is maria cardona, how are you? >> how are you? >> part of the american dream is actually showing respect to the latinos who have been here and, frankly, calling spanish the language of the ghetto is not showing that kind of respect. >> the only candidate that has shown respect to the hispan hispanic-american community in this election is newt gingrich with the way he has humane and reasonable immigration policy, for example. no candidate has been more respectful to hispanic-american, more open to the american dream for hispanic-americans than newt gingrich. that's the fact. that's the record. the fact of the matter is newt gingrich has shown great respect for the hispanic community in the way he's developed his immigration reform policies, outreach efforts to the community. newt gingrich is doing everything possible to send his message on economic prosperity, whether it be education, health care, all of the issues that hispanic-americans are concerned about, he's doing everything possible to get his message across to hispanics here in florida and i'm sure he will do it in other states as well. he's done it before and he will do it in the future. >> congressman, alex. >> alex, how are you? >> i'm good. i'm good. hey, understand that congressman gingrich's intent here and, you know, i don't think republicans do get enough credit for trying to lift minorities out -- >> you're getting in dangerous spin territory. got it. got it. yes. and your question is? >> listen to what gingrich was saying there. he was actually saying that -- i know my family. we came to this country, the most important thing we had was mom and dad tried to make sure we learned the language of the count country, the language of the economy. >> i don't think they disagree with learning the language. >> my question for gingrich is a little different. the kind of erratic nature of some of the things he said. let's say his intent was good, but if a president makes these kinds of unforced error and says things that offend people, say when he's overseas, would newt gingrich be a stable president or or erratic president? >> well, you have to remember, you know, sometimes when you're a private citizen as he was when he made that statement you're talking about developing public policy, sometimes you need to shock people into waking up to a problem. and maybe that was speaker gingrich's intent, to make sure he used some type of language that would maybe wake people up to the problem of making sure that everybody in america is proficient in english. the fact of the matter is, that every american will support his policy position, which is making sure we allow people to achieve the american dream and the way to do that is to excel in the english language. he wants to do that for every american child, whether they're of hispanic background or asian background, no matter where they're from in the world. we need to make sure that everybody is as proficient in english as possible. and as president, i think that's what every american wants him to do. what's important is the policy. maybe not so much the rhetoric but the policy that he's defending. >> congressman rivera, nice for having you. thank you for your time. got to get to other news. christine romans has that for us. good morning. >> good morning to you, soledad. two teenagers arrested for allegedly trying to carry out a bomb attack. police say the two students from utah's roy high school, about 30 miles north of salt lake city, plotted to set off explosives during a sdochool assembly and steal a plane to make their get away. 18-year-old dale morgan and 16-year-old boy not being released who reportedly planning this for months. police did not find any explsiv at the school or the teen's homes. the american woman rescued by u.s. navy sales after some molly pirates captured her is in italy now. she will be reunite with her father there before heading home. they were providing aid in the region when they were captured. they spent three months in captivity. the manhunt for a convicted killer is intensifying in mississippi. there is reward to find you sef azman, one of several felons pardoned by former governor haley barbour. of these four murderers who were pardoned, this one remains missing. they were supposed to be turned over to the governor's office but no one knows exactly where they are. passengers who survived the costa concordia cruise shipwreck will reportedly get about $1,000. reuters reports the money is being offered to those who were not physically hurt in the crash. passengers who were hurt will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. those who accept the deal cannot ever sue the company. public viewing being held tonight in the los angeles area for legendary singer etta james. a private funeral will be held friday with reverend al sharpton giving the eulogy. she was battling leukemia, 73 years old. soledad? >> that's so sad. i love etta james. as we've been tacking agent all morning the hispanic vote is going to prove critical in this election. so did any candidate last night win that group over? brownstein joins our panel from miami where he was able to watch the debate with a crowd of the hispanic leadership network conference. we miss you in person. a couple things i want to get to because you posted right after the debate an article on nationaljournal.com which is a great deconstruction. give me the one take away that people should know about the debate last night. one. >> can i can give you two? newt gingrich has still not got it back. his teaming was off all night. whether he wanted to confront romney. romney was there with an answer that usually got a better response from the audience. even when he tried to be conciliatory towards romney brurk away wolf's question on taxes, romney came back and said why don't you say what you said on the campaign trail here on stage. most interesting though, particularly watching this with a preponderantly hispanic audience is what the congress called a humane and reasonable immigration policy drew almost no reaction, soledad, from that audience. almost no positive reaction. there was almost a bigger positive reaction when requiring english as the language and romney as an anti-immigration. immigration where cuban-americans dominate the hispanic vote may be different than in a broad general election context. >> last question for you. santorum, i thought he was good in the debate last night. what kind of impact do you think that's going to p terribly ha p have, if any at all? >> santorum was good in the debate ain pressing a case against mt. romney. romney will take the arrows if it splinters the conservative vote that gingrich needs to consolidate if he's going to have any chance near in florida which looks more dim i think ast last night's debate than before. >> alex and i were having an argument about that. thank you, ron. see you in bern. beginning of next week and you can see his great article at nationaljournal.com. good deconstruction of the debate last night, national journal has the cover story as well. ahead we're going to continue our conversation about how it went last night, especially looking specifically at the latino vote here in the state of florida. and mitt romney's foreign policy adviser is going to join us next with a look at why she thinks he's the best candidate to represent latinos. plus, the mayor of east haven said he might go and have a taco. well, here they come. he doesn't have to go anywhere. delivered right to him. it's part of a bigger point they were making to that mayor. we'll tell you about thanchts college costs in some ways crushing dreams of students, spiraling out of control. we'll talk this morning with arne duncan and the president's new plan and is it economically i believe? 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[ male announcer ] sustainable solutions. fedex. solutions that matter. welcome back, everybody. we're coming to you this morning from the beach hut cafe, which is in jackson beach, florida, having breakfast with our panelist. david frum is joining us. >> remind me not to go to bat with you guys. >> remind us not to count on you in battle. >> rose, will you hop in and fix his ivp for him while we're doing this. nice to have you. only 17 minutes into the show. all right. we've been talking this morning about the critical latino vote in the state of florida. could it make or break the race with florida republican representative join us. she's a foreign policy adviser for myth romnitt romney. we appreciate you. would love to have you in person. let's talk about last night. what did you think of the debate? >> well, i thought it was an awesome debate by all of the candidates, of course, i'm a little bit partial. i'm for mitt romney. i think he came on aggressively, very decidedly ready for battle. i wish that mitt would have shown up previously but it's good to have the real mitt there on stage and it shows that one of the arguments that newt makes is that he would be a great debater against obama. no doubt. by mitt showed that he can old his own also against president obama. what we want is a candidate who can beat president obama and shares their values. i think that person is mitt romney. certainly electability is still a key issue in this race. >> okay. there were lots of conversations about a couple of things. one was the deporting of grandmoms. we had a big chunk of that in the conversation yesterday. and also newt gingrich had called mitt romney anti-immigrant in is what mr. romney said last night. let's listen. >> that is simply inexcusable. and actually senator marco rubio came to my defense and said that ad was inexcusable and inflammatory. mr. speaker, i'm not anti-immigrant. my father was born in mexico. my wife's father was born in wales. they came to this country. the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. >> so he was given, nut gingrich was given the opportunity to back away from the comments and he did not. he repeated them again. let me ask you a question about mr. romney's immigration plan. i mean, they sort of sparred over the deporting grandma. who would he be willing to deport, both gingrich and romney say, no grandmas. i wouldn't deport grandmas. spell it out for me. >> well, i think, that mitt romney was correct when he said the problem with illegal immigration is not that 11 million grandmas. it's sort of simplifies that, that way of looking at the problem. now, he got -- mitt's defense of his position not being anti-immigrant got a big applause in the hispanic leadership conference at doral last night and i think that that's the kind of reaction that many hispanics will have. i don't know that it's productive to call someone anti-immigrant. now, marco rubio, who is our hometown boy, our star, he was ye correct in saying take down that ad. you can say what you want in a different way without tagging anyone as being anti-immigrant. mitt's position differs from mine. i'm in stay vor of comprehensive reform. but what i think this debate and this election is all about is making sure that obama is a one-term president and it will hinge on the economy. i know here in florida everyone loves to talk about immigration, i'm grammigratio immigration, immigration, i'm grak inauguration. it's a great concern but here in south florida, the mortgage crisis and all of the economic pocket book issues, mitt romney has got that kind of message and that's why whatever gets said about immigration, once mitt has got newt talking about that nonstop, it's really newt's -- in a very weak position because what people care about overwhelmingly is the economy, not immigration. >> the economy. i understand. congresswoman, alex, how are you? >> hey, alex. good to see you. good to hear you, anyway. >> good to see you. question for you. right now we seem to have -- we're a country of 300 million people that has a cap yearly on how many immigrants can come here, about 140,000 people, i think. and we're losing a lot of our, you know, first round be intellectual draft choices. we're losing a lot of talent. what is romney's position on i' legal immigration and incruising that? >> he's been laying out his ground game for this presidential race for a long time. he made it very clear in last night's debate he is in favor of legal immigration. he believes that when you foster a climate that brings about illegal immigration, what you are doing is you're sending a message to those folks who have been patiently waiting in line in their home countries to say, hey, you know, going by the rules is not going to pay off for you. come on over here and do your best. i think what all americans are looking for are sensible strategies for dealing with this immigration problem that we have here. all of the candidates are saying that we're against illegal immigrati immigration. let's see what we can do to make sure that we can keep folks who are going to be good contributors to our country and do so in a legal way. but again, immigration is not going to drive the debate neither in florida nor anywhere else. so we can keep talking about immigration. but it's the economy, it's the economy, and it's jobs and mortgages and all of our mortgages are under water. >> congresswoman, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> next time, you know what, i just lost my audio here so i can't hear you anymore. next time we're going to have you come in person because we're having a good breakfast. we've got to take a short break. ahead this morning, though, he said he might go home and have a taco for dinner. be careful what you wish for. why all of these folks are showing up at the east haven, connecticut, mayor's office. that's our "get real" coming up next. plus, have you seen this video? 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(phone ringing) chase sapphire preferred, this is julie in springfield. welcome back to "starting point." now it's time for our "get real" segment. the embattled hey your of east haven, connecticut, like it when they called you the embattled mayor. his name is joseph and he is wishing that he had never ever said these very words. >> i might have tack cost when i go home. i'm not quite sure yet. >> yeah, that was an answer to a reporter who said is he going to do for the latino community in the wake of arrest of police officers for harassment of latino community and others. there was a special delivery of tacos literally 500 tacos dropped off at his office by members of the group reform immigration for america. listen. >> hopefully you know now that comments like yours only heighten racial tension and help explain how the racial intolerance uncovered by the u.s. department of justice was allowed to take hold in the east haven police department. these tacos represent every person across america who was difficu disgusted and condemns your comments. >> these tacos represent -- this is like a media -- >> a lot of tacos. >> if they're tasty tacos, the -- >> interesting. >> provocative on tv, i get 500 tasty tacos? >> i don't think these were that tasty. they probably had a little crow in them. >> they expect the number to go in the thousands. they say if you tweet the word taco they will send him a taco. regretting is the word of the day for that mr. mayor. ahead this morning, president obama says that everyone should be able to go to college. today he's going to talk about a new plan to make it affordable. we'll have the education secretary arne duncan to join us for details on that plan. what happens to gabrielle giffords' now vacant congressional seat? could her husband mark kelly run for that seat? we sit down and ask him for that very question on "starting point." cut. cut! 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[ male announcer ] enbrel. the #1 biologic medicine prescribed by rheumatologists. ♪ welcome back, everybody. that's carlos santana, yes, maria cardona, you are my new best friends in terms of musical choice. the new thing is allowing t panelist to pick the music. we had a tough start with marcai marcaine. really? that's what you're picking? update on other headlines that christine romans has for us. good morning, christine. >> reporter: good morning to you, soledad. i just in to cnn, ford motor company just released its best annual earnings in 14 years. that makes 2011 the second most profitable year in the automaker's history. good news all around. u.s. markets are gearing up for a higher open this morning. futures in all three major indices trading higher. this morning well be watching for new gdp numbers, gross domestic product is the most comprehensive picture we get of how the american economy is doing. analysts tell us they think that growth picked up in the final quarter of 2011 will be there for that when the report comes out at 8:30 a.m. eastern time. the fbi joined investigatesers in new orleans in the search for a carjacker who shot a good samaritan to death. harry mike amesworth died in front of his two children earlier this week after dropping them off at a bus stop if good samaritan jumped on the hood of a car of a woman being carjacked and he was shot in the chest and killed. british and french missions to the u.n. will meet today in a closed security council meeting to discuss syria. syrian troops shelved to city of palms yesterday demanding an end to anti-government protest there's. witnesses are offering to stop the attacks if the demonstrations end. bp losing another round in court. federal judge ruled bp is responsible for all economic damages caused by the deepwater horizon rig explosion that happened in 2010. the new orleans judge says transocean, the owner of the rig, won't be liable to damages for third parties. 11 people were killed in the worst u.s. oil spill in history. john mccain will be joining mitt romney today. he will be with him through the weekend. mccain is urging florida voters to of focus on the candidates' records and not debate performances. opening night at the winter x games. catch this. kol on t colton moore takes a spill. he loses his grip. comes crashing down violently on his back. but get this, he walked away unharmed and then went on to the finals and won the gold medal. all right. sing it with me, yep, abba. abba is making a comeback. the group plans to release their first new song in 18 years. they're going to rerelease their final album "the visitors" in april and include a previously unreleased song called "from a twinkling star to a passing angel." so far on this ipod madness in the morning no one hassed a abba on their irs pad yet. >> i called for an all luther panel, i get nothing. you and i have got to work this out. that guy falling off of his snowmobi snowmobile. did you see the thing? he tucked. that's why he did not die. he tucked when he hit the snow and it saved his neck. >> remarkable. i didn't know that was really newt gingrich. >> you're so funny. alex, david frum has joined us. digging into his breakfast. maria cardona is with us as well. and joining our panel as well this morning, nice to have you here. appreciate it. you're a guy who basically filled the hall last night for the debate. >> i had a lot of help but, yeah, when we announced the debate in jacksonville, florida, the request far exceeded the supply inside of a day. >> when i was talking to senator mccain yesterday, two days ago in washington, d.c. he said, you know, that one of the problems that he sees in these debates is that the candidates are basically like chipping away at each other. he sees it as a big negative. do you think he has a point? >> obviously i would rather they not do that and stick to a compelling vision of get their economy around. >> do you tell them that? >> yes. but look, i understand it politics, it happens. t president obama is going to come after whoever the nominee is with a big war chest. we'll get through this and get past the chipping away that we've experienced in the primary season. >> what kind of conversation are you having because your the middle man for all of the campaigns. >> yeah. >> when they're calling you the night before the debate, what kinds of conversation are you having with them? >> don't attack the free exercise system. i mean, as republicans, this is -- we believe that the free market, the free enterprise system is what lifts people out of poverty. not government programs. so i don't like seeing the candidates go back and forth on the that issue. >> do you think there was a winner last night. don't say everybody was a winner and everybody played well. really, who did the best? >> i actually do think they all dood a good job. >> one word answer, sir. romney or gingrich or santorum or paul. >> the audience, what encouraged me was each candidate had at any moment last night something that made sense and con net we'd the audience. and the entire audience went nuts which tells me we can coalesce around a nominee. >> if i told you you had to narrow it to one person, who would you say? you don't have to endorse them. one person? >> i think they all did a great job. >> lenny, you know i love you and we're having breakfast but you're killing me. go ahead. >> elections aren't won just on election day. when you register voters, aren't democrats keeping up with republicans on registration? >> better. democrats are killing republicans on registration. >> on florida we began the year with 580,000 deficit to the democrats and narrowed that to 502. in florida we're making significant progress and we've got an aggressive plan in place for the year. >> can i show that graphic? let's pop that up. if you look at latino republicans in florida it's gone up from 2006 to 2012. growth of 10%. roughly 400,000 as you mentioned, to about 452. it's the democratic numbers that show tremendous growth for 2006-2012. show the dem numbers. 52%. doesn't that spell huge trouble for you and what to do? >> well, there are latino communities that are registered democrat that are not married to the party. and it's going to be up to us to communicate a compelling message of how our policies will touch and affect their lives and create opportunity for their families. >> mr. chairman, that's where my question comes in because there was a lot of talk last night about whether romney was -- a lot of pushback. and whether or not that's the right word to use within the republican primary. at perception and among the wider latino community that all of those candidates last night are anti-immigrant. how do you address that in the general election? >> well, what my message has been for party chairman, the fact that we are having this conversation about immigration speaks to what america stands for. we're still the greatest country in the world, land of opportunity. we're having this because people want to come here. we need to figure out away to bring immigrants here that want to live and work and raise their families in america. >> what about the ones that are already here? that's something that romney has not really addressed. >> i'm going to leave that up to -- >> or any of the candidates, actually. >> this is a very complicated and emotional issue. these guys are in a bat to win a primary election. >> i think he fixed a lot of our immigration problems because frankly there aren't enough jobs here to attract immigrants. really our immigration problem is decreasing. >> when you ask -- >> hold on. hold on. >> no, but it speaks to one thing. >> deportation theory, which is -- >> it's not a theory. it's happening in fact. >> the numbers that are going to get to the core of 11 million -- >> survey florida -- >> it actually works. believe it or not, what obama -- the state of the union the other night, he said we're importing less foreign oil than ever. yeah, you know what? because our economy cratered. we have less of an immigration problem -- >> i have people screaming in my ear. we have to take a break. you're doing to stick around? david frum, we're going to get to your question. we're going to take a break. coming up next we're going to talk about education, the president announcing a plan to make college more affordable. we're going to talk to the education secretary arne duncan about some of the details. maria cardona hooking us up once again with her ipod. shakira i think is going to be on the other side of this. thank you for good music this morning. >> i've been hearing how you've been complaining. hey, aren't you supposed to be following that fidelity green line? well, yeah, but it keeps leading me back to my old office. i think it might be broken. or maybe it's trying to tell you something. yeah, but what could it be try-- oh, i left my 401(k) at my old job. and i left a jacket on the back of my door. but i think the line's talking about my 401(k). leave a 401(k) behind? roll it over with a company that's helping more people reach retirement than anyone else. call or come in for a free portfolio review today. welcome bark back, everybody. president obama is wrapping up a road trip in michigan today. the focus is a plan to keep college affordalable. listen. >> let me put colleges and universities on notice, if you can't stop tuition from going up, the funding you get from taxpayers will go down. higher education can't be a luxury. it is an economic imperative that every family in america should be able to afford. >> education secretary arne duncan is live with us this morning from ann arbor, michigan. what the president has said so far and i know he's going to announce more today. give us specific details about how he's going to make college more affordable? >> we all have to step up to the plate. i appreciate the opportunity so much. what president obama worries about is that for middle class folks who are working hard they're starting to think they can't afford college. college is for the wealthy. that's unacceptable. we're trying to do everything we can at the federal level to increase access, significant increases to pell grants, maybe permanent the american opportunity tax credit, double work study opportunities, but we can't do it alone. he's challenges states to continue to invest in tough economic times in higher education. these challenges universities to keep that tuition down. it can't be skyrocketing and to make sure stubtsz just don't have access, that they're graduating. ultimately we're -- >> forgive me for interrupting you. when you say he's -- he used the words, let me put you on notice, right? that's sort of a forceful way of saying. how are the feds going to force colleges and universities to lower their tuition or keep their tuitions low, specifically? >> we want to use both caring and sticks where universities are doing the right thing keeping the tuition down, doing a great job of graduating young folks. we want them to have more access to resources where they're not doing a good job where tuition is skyrocketing, students aren't graduating, we want to invest less there. that's right thing to do. we want to make sure great actors get rewarded where students go and bad actor, understand that kind of behavior is unacceptable. >> there are colleges who would say that you're talking about taking away money from us at a time when state budgets are already squeezed. when we have more students who need more funding. how can you possibly expect us to do well in that environment? >> right. so again, we all have to work together. we want to be a great partner. we're increasing our investment. we're challenging states to do the same thing. we're challenging universities to be a full and equal partner. no one gets a pass. all of vus to come to the table. ultimately we have to make sure that the middle class dream of going to college continues to be a reality, not some distant dream just for the wealthy. >> there's a big huge skilled labor gap in this country. if you look at like plumbers and steamfitters and even skilled construction. what's the president's plan for shrinking that gap? >> what the president always says is if you drop out of high school you're basically condemned to poverty and social failure. there are no good jobs out there. some form of higher education has to be the goal for every single young person in this country. whether it's a four-year university, two-year community college, technical vocational training, there are great jobs out there but it takes some form of education beyond that high school diploma. >> mr. secretary, david frum here. i was so impressed the president acknowledged in the state of the union the trend has been that federal aid has driven economic research shows, federal aid drives tuition up. i'm surprised your proposal is let's do more of the thing that the economists tell us is driving tuition up. and meanwhile the discipline you want to see from the universities comes from the states who may not be inclined to do it. how does your plan add up? >> so again, we want to continue to invest. we have to do that. but we're challenging states with some significant carrots that they have to maintain their commitment to higher education and we're challenging universities to keep that tuition down. if all three partners, the states, the local universities, and federal government, come together, the the great things are going to happen for our country. if that doesn't happen, we're going to invest less in those states or in those universities where they don't have the best interest of young people at heart. >> let me ask you a question. i want to play a little chunk of what presidential candidate rick santorum said about president obama's motivation for wanting american kids to go off to college. listen. >> it's no wonder president obama wants every kid to go to college. the indoctrination that occurs in american universities is one of the keys to the left holding and maintaining power in america. and it is indoctrination. if it was the other way around the aclu would be out there making sure there wasn't one penny of government dollars going to colleges and universities. if you drop out of high school you're basically condemned to poverty and social failure. if you only have a high school difficuploma there are very few out there. some form of higher education, four-year university, two-year community college, trade, technical vocational training, simply a starting point. some form of education beyond that is going to give that young person opportunities in a globally competitive economy. it's about making america strong again and educating our way to a better economy. >> secretary arne duncan joining us this morning. appreciate it. i think he mentioned starting point in one of his last sentences there. wasn't pitching our show but we'll take it that as that. when we come back, much more about the debate and we'll also look forward to what happens next this this race. >> number 44, snait than styles is a starting running back. >> if you would watch him run, he had a flow about him that was just beautiful. i mean, it looked so graceful. >> nathan's also a starter on the varsity basketball team, a singer. ♪ ♪ >> in 2010 homecoming king is nathan styles. >> he's a toast at spring hill kansas. >> nathan had headaches. no big deal until five days later when his mom connie received a phone call. >> i got a call from the trainer at school saying, nathan's telling me he's still having headaches. you need to go take him to the emergency room. so i did. had a cat scan. nothing. >> the doctor kept nathan out of play for three weeks. when he was ready to return his mom was worried. >> i remember him looking at me and he goes, mom, are you okay with this? i'm like, with him going back for football? i'm like, no, but it's his choice. nathan, you want to play? yeah, i'm all right. yeah. i've only got two games left. >> reporter: but in the last game of the season right after halftime nathan went down. >> he had collapsed on the sideline and the coaches were telling me to try to wake him up. and he didn't. then i heard him say, he's seizuring, then that was it. they took him in the ambulance. we waited for life flight. and everything went bad from there. from bad to worse. >> after hours of surgery, doctors stopped the bleeding in nathan's brain, but by then his lungs and heart were too weak to keep him alive. nathan died. the cause, second impact syndrome. >> oh, my god. sanjay, the story is so, so sad. i think it's also some of the classic terrifying thing for any parent. i know that right after this he died. they immediately wanted to examine his brain. why? >> reporter: well, they wanted to look certainly for the specific cause of death. they suspected that it was this second impact syndrome that they've been talking about. that's a second concussion and quickly after a first concussion before the brain has healed, but they also want to look for something else, which was to find out if he had signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy. you don't need to remember that name, but that's basically the changes in the brain that occur in these players as a result of many, many hits to the brain. they were looking for these things. they had to make that tough call to his parents who had just lost their son but they asked them if they would consider donating nathan's brain for that purpose, soledad. >> those poor parents. i know when they were able to do that they could learn a lot from what happened to his son. big hits broken dreams premiers on sunday january 29th at 8:00 p.m. eastern. we'll talk to you in 30 minutes. we'll see you on the other side. still ahead on "starting point", mitt romney, newt gingrich trade jabs over money and influence. we're going to break down the most buzz worthy moments of the debate straight ahead. plus astronaut mark kelley says his wife gabby giffords decision to step down was difficult, but many people are asking will he -- drunk at the wheel. vanna and pat sajak were knocking back more than a few during the show. we'll tell you why straight ahead. 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"starting point" begins right now. thank you for playing my music today. it only took two days of begging on my own show. finally they're playing my choice. that's morning music. that's a little usher to get you up and going, getting dressed, watching the show. come on. welcome, everybody. this is the beach hut cafe. before we move on to our discussion about last night's debate, this is the delicacy as i mentioned, the crab eggs benedict which is crabs covered with egg and covered with hollandaise sauce. candy crowley has joined our panel. this is a restaurant that's been here for 24 years. dick and deserie downing have been the proprietiors. we're taking up the entire middle section of the restaurant. let's talk about the debate last night and what it means for the push for the florida primary. the stakes are pretty high. mitt romney, newt gingrich kind of trading barbs all night. each trying to build momentum to clinch tuesday's vote. we have our panel back and also jack welch who's the founder of his institute. they're columnists for reuters. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. i know you have a new column out today, jack, and it's all about ron paul. your take away is get out of the race. why do you tell him that? >> well, i'm not saying that. i tie it to current events and business issues. we're saying that in our view ron paul will not be a finalist in this campaign and that the gop is going to have to exit him just as you have to exit employees. so the management lesson here is the same one you have with employees. when you let them go, you've got to let them go with dignity and voice. you've got to take care of them because they're going to be suppliers, customers, friends, recommendations. you want them as your friend. ron paul is going to exit left on this stage sometime down the road before august or in august and the gop doesn't want to lose those wonderful voters that he's brought on board. so how well they treat ron paul going forward is a very big deal just the way you layoff employees is a very big deal. >> i'm going to run a little bit of what your column says about ron paul. it says this, paul and his followers promise to be a lot like that fired employee who, if handled incorrectly at farewell, will make it his life's work to if not bring your organization down, at least show you how very wrong you were to cut the cord. what are -- it sounds like you're very concerned about the potential downside of a bad ron paul exit, is that right? is that fair to say, suzy? >> you know, ron paul's followers are not party regulars. he's not a party regular. he really has these very, very em passioned followers. all four of our children are huge ron paul followers so we're living with this. if you let them go, they're not going to go into the booth and they're not going to pull the lever for whoever the nominee is, probably romney it looks like at this point. they're not going to pull that lever. so you have to engage them and say not like this is a booby prize. what were the issues you really cared about. so it's very important if you alienate them, you will -- either they'll stay home or they'll work against you. >> let me ask you, you guys have said that he is the -- mitt romney i'm speaking about now is the perfect can date. when you look at the new poll numbers, there's a new one that i want to throw up on the screen, mitt romney is polling at 38%, newt gingrich is 29%. it's almost a flip of the poll we got yet, it had newt gingrich at 37%, mitt romney at 28%. if he's such a perfect candidate why does that message not seem to get out to anybody else? >> well, soledad, that's a great question. until last night his debate performances had certainly not been those of the perfect candidate. last night he did shine in the debate, and i think you'll see that reflected in the florida results, but we'll have to see. last night was his best night on the debate stage. up to that time he had not been a rising star, although he has every credential one would want, whether it be in business, whether it be in saving the olympics. i think you remember that. and when he was governor. he's had all the right experience to go there. >> he has great credentials. there obviously is some kind of -- >> go ahead, suzy. >> you know, i think his credentials are as jack says. there has obviously been some kind of connection gap with the voters, some kind of authenticity issue. i think people have trouble believing or coming to terms with the fact that he is the boy scout he appears to be. >> well, you know what, i would change that a little bit. aim going to open this up to our panel as well. i want to ask them the question. i'll come back to you guys. i don't think the boy scout thing is exactly framing it correctly. i think some of it is the self-inflicted wounds where he talks about his money managers, he's talked about his lawyers and trying to give money to his kids. he went to -- i was attending an event where he was talking about telling people who were unemployed, i'm unemployed too, which was technically true but probably unwise. >> when you talk about having a trustee and having a trustee make decisions about your millions of dollars of investments, when you talk about having a supposed secret swiss bank account, these are not things that the average voter can relate to. >> david frum? >> his problem is one of follow lowership, not leadership. his selling point was he was the governor who brought universal health coverage to his state. when you say you can't talk about the single thing that you did that was best and biggest, then obviously all these other side issues take on -- the mitt romney we saw in 2006 ought to be the one we take to the country in 2012. >> let me ask a final question to jack and suzy. everybody should look at their reuters article. it's fascinating. let's say hypothetically, nobody ever answers my hypothetical answers, but i'm going to try again anyway. hype they theically newt gingrich is the candidate. do you as republicans say, okay, we will support him? >> well, i will clearly, yes, support the republican nominee against the current encouple bent under any circumstances. >> okay. got an answer to my question. thank you, suzy. sorry to cut you off there. we appreciate you guys joining us this morning. we've got to take a turn and look at other stories making headlines. christine romans has those for us. good morning again. hi there. good morning, soledad. two teenagers are arrested for allegedly trying to carry out a bomb attack. 30 miles south of salt lake city. they plotted to send off a bomb at a student assembly. 18 year old dallin and a 16-year-old boy were reportedly planning this for months. police did not find any explosives at the school or at the teen's home. freed hostages jessica buchanan and poul thisted are released. we are grateful for all the efforts put into getting them safely back to the u.s. and for the fact that a very difficult chapter in their lives and our lives is over. they have been held captive since the end of october. stepping up the man hunt right now for a convicted killer in mississippi. there's a reword to find joseph osmond, one of the fellows pardoned by former governor haley barber. we're also learning the files are missing. they were supposed to be turned over by the governor's office, but no one knows where they are. new york city police report that a big cocaine seizure happened at the united nations, of all places. officials say the drugs were placed in a white bag apparently in an attempt to disguise the shipment as an official diplomatic pouch but it raised suspicions because it was stamped with a poor copy. the wheel was spinning. "wheel of fortune" host pat sajak coming clean about what he and lovely vanna white would do during dinner breaks. >> vanna and i would go across and have two or three or six and then come and do the last shows and have trouble recognizing the alphabet. they're really good tapes to get ahold of. >> sajak said it happened when the show first started and when he was an awful lot younger. >> that's our secret too. mimosas for everyone at breakfast. kidding. ahead on "starting point", it could be a two-man fight for florida seems to be emerging. mitt romney and newt gingrich came out swinging in the latest debate. the former florida commissioner of agriculture is endorsing mitt romney. fred thompson is backing newt gingrich. we're going to have them both come out and join us at the diner and talk about why. also, what's going to happen to gabrielle giffords' now vacant congressional seat. some say her husband could fill it in. you're watching "starting point", everybody. we're back after this break. 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>> i was sitting up in the gallery when her colleague and friend read her letter of resignati resignation. it was sad. it was sad for gabby. there were a lot of tears on the floor of the house. you know, it was the end of gabby's congressional career, something she really treasured. so it was a sad day. >> why is she leaving now? how much does it have to do with sort of the rehabilitation for her injuries? i know that it's much harder after 18 months to recover and you're kind of in the 12-month window. did that have something to do with it? >> well, i mean, she -- coming up to -- well, in the last month to six weeks gabby came to the conclusion that she was not going to be ready to run for re-election, was not going to be ready to get back to work. it was more important that she focus on her rehab, you know, for a long-term goal of being able to, you know, return to work some day. bu but it was very clear that she was not going to be able to get back or was that her doctor's decision? >> no, it was 100% her decision. >> what happens now? i've heard she's been doing two to three hours of rehab every day. does that now shift into high gear and you do eight hours of rehab every day for her? >> well, when you count the amount of time she spends getting to and from the rehab hospital at memorial her man, it's probably about 35 hours a week. so she'll continue with that schedule, the schedule she's been on for, you know, the previous six months. so she'll just continue with that. eventually that will come down as she improves and, you know, her goal is to recover to the point where she can get back to public service. >> she wants to go back to elected office? >> well, i don't know if it's going to be elected office. you know, gabby's mom and her sister, you know, have at times told me that gabby was born a public servant. even as a kid she wanted to help people. i'm confident she'll be helping people in some fashion some day. >> it was really interesting to watch state of the union address because i thought she looked beautiful. she really looked absolutely radiant and to watch folks stand up with her. congressman flake got up and down and help her up. it was very emotional thing. did she say what was experience was like for her to attend? >> yeah. she said it was emotional. she really enjoyed being there. as you know, she wasn't at the last one. it was right after she was injured and they left an empty asset for her between congressman flake and graha plb. this time she got to occupy that seat. she enjoyed being there. i enjoyed being there. i hadn't attended a state of the union before. >> let me ask you a question about depression because people, medical folks have told me that when you're in rehab, that depression is often something that happens as well. have you noticed that with gabby? is she fighting gains as well? >> i wouldn't say she's fighting against depression. she's always been this incredibly positive and optimistic person. right from the start, you know, she's been working really hard and really positive about it. having said that, she does get a little bit down at times and she'll get a little bit sad. this is a little bit frustrating. she struggles and it's long -- she often says, this is a long, hard haul, but it doesn't last for very long. in her case she might get bummed out for a few minutes and then she's her positive self again. she doesn't struggle with any depression. >> that's good to hear. last question for you. you know, i don't have to tell you, that in history often spouse also jump in and take over their spouse's congressional seat. >> yes. >> that would be you. >> that would not be me. >> hypothetically that could be you. >> hypothetically it could be me, but i'm not running for her congressional seat. >> no? why not? >> why? well, my job right now is to make sure gabby has everything she needs so she could get back to public service some day. so it's not -- you know, it's not my time to do that. i need to focus on her and be available to her and, you know, help her, make sure she has everything she needs. running for congress is really, really hard work and takes a lot of time and the job takes a lot of time. and, you know, right now that's not -- you know, that's not what i should be doing. i need to focus on gabby. >> mark kelley is a former nasa commander and also the husband of gabrielle giffords. thank you. >> thank you, soledad. nice to be here. still ahead on "starting point" this morning going to bring dr. sanjay gupta back to talk about emergency room visits that are soaring from sports injuries and how you can tell if your kid has a concussion. that's straight ahead. stay with us. welcome back, everybody. you're watching starting point this morning. all week we've been talking about concussions and the danger of getting concussions in sports. let's go right back to sanjay gupta. it's apparent, sanjay, the question is how do you avoid some of these horror stories you've been sharing with us this past week? >> reporter: there's a few things that are pretty low hanging fruits so, to speak. one is simply mandating athletic trainers be at every practice and game. this is something you talk to your school and coaches about. they're the ones that can recognize t. you and i talked about the fact that these hits we talked about quite a bit, while some of them happen in the games, the vast majority of them happen in practice as a result of drills. head hit after head hit over and over again. so reducing the number of head hits in practices can help save someone's brain later on down the line. also the two point stance. people line up in the three point stance head down using their head, heldments as ramming devices. force the two point stance so people tackle with their bodies and hands. helmets, soledad. helmets, i have one over here, can be a false sense of comfort in many ways. if you think about this, it can provide an outer covering to the brain, but it doesn't prevent concussions. why? because it's the brain, even in a helmet, that sort of moves back and forth. sort of rocking back and forth as a result of the quick stops and the quick starts. so don't rely on the helmet only certainly as a source of protection, soledad. those are quick tips. easy ones that don't change the sport of football i don't think. >> all right. sanjay, let me ask you a question because people lie. we had guests on with you who said that they will pretend like they're fine because they know that if they say they're injured, they have a concussion, that, in fact, they're going to get yanked out of the game. kids do that too. how do you make sure you see how they're doing. >> reporter: best data, you're absolutely right, half of high school students have lied to conceal their injuries. couple things, first of all, there are sideline exams. coaches and athletic trainers can examine someone on the sideline. pretty good exams to try to figure out if someone's had a concussion. there are a lot of schools nowadays doing these cognitive baseline exams, soledad. if you will with me for a second, soledad, take a look at this. this is just a small example. take a look at the list of words over here. this is an example of what somebody might receive. try and memorize those words. i'm going to ask them about you in just a second again, but cognitive baseline exam, the test is basically designed to be given to students at the beginning of the season and then again if there is a concussion or concern about a concussion and maybe the child who's not being completely forthright, they do the test again. if the child's not scoring well, that's evidence. if the child scores fine or does better, that's evidence as well that the brain may, in fact, now be healed. so those are some simple examples of things we try to do to prevent kids from lying. so, soledad, i don't know if you remember those words, this is the way the exam would work. put up this other list of words. soledad, i don't know how you can see that where you are. are you able to pick out the words i showed you on this longer list now? >> yeah, i can do that. so mirror in the second column, stove, parent was one, forrest which is next to parent. what was the last one? oh, ladder. >> very good. yeah. >> ladder. so that means my cognitive function is high. >> you have not had a concussion recently. the point is you would get the sort of test, it would be an hour long test. there would be things that might be hard for you to answer and then you would get tested again if there was some concern. you might not be lying deliberately. sometimes people with concussions, they really do think that they're fine but tests like this help parse it out. soledad, this is happening in high schools now. these players taking the test at the beginning of the season to prevent that exact problem that you're talking about. >> that's very smart. all right, sanjay, thank you very much. it's been nice to talk to you all week about your documentary that's coming up. big hits, broken dreams. it premiers on sunday, january 29th at 8:00 p.m. eastern. i'm looking forward to seeing that. ahead this morning on "starting point" neck in neck in florida. the florida commissioner of agriculture is adam putnam. they have actor and former senator fred thompson is backing newt gingrich. they're going to join us live to tell us why their candidate should be the nominee. plus a student takes a picture of his sleeping teacher. some people would say that young man is a hero but instead he was suspended. we'll explain why when "starting point" returns right after this break. people with a machine. what ? 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>> yeah. >> i'm having a hard time. snap it on and start twisting. >> this is so great. >> yeah. you're going to push. >> like this? >> whoa. get closer. this is where you want to be careful with the hot oil. >> you're probably better at this than i am. >> no, you're just as good as my 7-year-old. >> should i keep going? >> reporter: just as good as my 7 yeerd. that was really cool, soledad. was it fun? >> so it was really fun. he's the cutest man alive. my husband was, who was that woman cooking! who was that person who looked like you who was actually cooking? i don't recognize her. all right, christine. thank you. that was a ton of fun. we're talking politics this morning. mitt romney is fighting back after a disappointing second place finish in south carolina. he had to come at it a little bit differently. he hit newt gingrich hasheder than he has, i think at least, in previous debates. let's get to adam putnam. 's he the florida chairman romney for president. nice to have you with us. >> great to have you here. the land of sunshine and tim tebow. >> there's no sunshine. you lie. i hope so. let's talk a little bit about the debate last night. governor romney has been working cautiously. how do you think he did? >> i thought mitt romney had a fantastic night last night. he's consistently performed in the debates with a lot of substance and has just been a pitch perfect debater. last night he showed the passion and the intensity that a lot of people had been looking for. i thought that newt gingrich was on his heels. i thought santorum had a good night. i thought ron paul had the best laugh lines, but the clear winner last night was mitt. >> one of the challenges for mitt romney is that if he's the nominee, he's not just a flip-flopper but he's said things that are not true. the dnc is pointing all those things out today in terms of, for example, he said he never voted for a democrat when the republican was on the ballot. that's not true. >> and tell me why that's an issue in the general election? >> it's an issue in the general election because it's an issue of trust. >> no, the issue is the economy, unemployment rate of just under 10% in the state of florida and we just dropped below 10% last month. the housing crisis that is at epic proportions, not just in florida but across the country. a failed foreign policy. that's really what the issue in november is going to be about, not mitt romney's tax returns, not mitt romney's previous voting record in massachusetts. the general election's about barack obama. >> i was going to say, it might not be about the specifics that you're talking about, but clearly this is a race that the democrats want to frame as we're for the middle class and those guys are for the wealthy. you have a very wealthy man if romney should win at the top of the ticket who does talk, as soledad said earlier, talks about his blind trust and his this and that. don't you think the imagery is going to be tough and going to be part of the fall campaign? >> so what has barack obama done for the middle class? i mean, if you want to create that type of setup, then the logical question is is the middle class better off today because of barack obama? and it's unquestionably no. the middle class is not better off because he's imposed the health care tax, individual mandate. >> that's not true. >> he's dramatically increased epa regulations. driving small businesses out of business. they have no access to capitol. >> i think candy's point was if your candidate is mitt romney, who has made numerous stumbles that show, in all fairness,'s out of touch, he's a very wealthy man. he talks to people who are unemployed and says i'm unemployed too. that's true but it's insensitive. >> he's the most competitive candidate in the fall. he is the best republican to take on barack obama in november. he's the guy that's got the real world skill set. >> you don't worry about the fact that. >> the optics of it. >> people are discussing it, not just people in the media but people in general, having a candidate who's very, very wealthy is a challenge to overcome. >> clearly he's been a successful guy. he represents the american dream that a lot of people aspire to. if you work hard, put in 18 to 20 hours a day, you sacrifice a lot of time with your family. >> that sounds like all of us, barbara. check, check, check except the millions of dollars. >> and he has accumulated an awful lot of success. so i don't think anybody out there is under the i will lulgs that he hasn't been successful. he's saved the olympics, turned around massachusetts and represents the american dream. >> i'm with you that mitt romney is the most competitive republican candidate. i'm worried about the party. the most ominous moment in the debate was a woman who was unemployed stood up and said what happens when i lose my job and my health plan? mitt romney of 2006 had a game-winning answer for that woman, but mitt romney in 2012 is not allowed to deliver his game-winning answer. and that's not i think his fault. 's had to adjust to a party that won't let him say that. how do they get that back and say maybe universal health coverage is a good thing and he can do it? >> i think what you saw last night, what was a very compassionate response to the woman who was out of work -- >> it was but he didn't answer her question. i'm unemployed. the answers that both candidates gave her was, well, you'd be able to carry your insurance with you, etc., etc. her point is, i don't have a job. what happens to me with no job? >> you know, she had two questions. remember, she said how are you going to help me get a job? and she said, what is this issue that connects my insurance to my job that means that when i lose my job, as many millions of americans have, it means that not only did we lose our job, we lose that critical safety net that when our kid gets sick sore when they fall and break their arm and we've got to go to the emergency room and all of those things, why are those two kektded? he answered both of those questions. we have to grow the economy. we have to slash regulations. we have to repeal things that have come into play under the obama administration a that have should down small businesses and create things like association health plans, the individual deduction on your taxes so that people who are out of work have the same opportunity to be insured. >> none of those are very relevant answers to that woman. >> all of those things responded to her. >> she can't use a tax deduction. this is not relevant to her. the plan that governor romney had in massachusetts would have been helpful to her if he were allowed to talk about it. >> there was plenty of talk last night about the massachusetts health plan and newt gingrich's health plan and santorum's health plan. >> talking about the individual mandate in terms of the president, romney supported the individual mandate and that's going to be an issue. >> for his state. for his state. it is not something that the national people ought to have. he has said categorically day one he will repeal obama care. 's been very clear about that. >> maria core donna you're killing me time wise. thank you for joining me. >> thrilled to be here. keep drinking orange juice. >> i'm still in my coffee. still ahead on starting point actor fred tom son is throwing his support behind newt gingrich. we'll chat why that is. we'll play out with kanye west, "stronger." [ todd ] hello? hello todd. just calling to let you know i'm giving you the silent treatment. so you're calling to tell me you're giving me the silent treatment? ummm, yeah. jen, this is like the eighth time you've called... no, it's fine, my family has free unlimited mobile-to-any-mobile minutes. i can call all i want. i don't think you understand how the silent treatment works. hello? 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[ male announcer ] sustainable solutions. fedex. solutions that matter. welcome back, everybody. our next guest is a hollywood star. former republican senator for tennessee who ran for president back in 2008. this week he came out and supported newt gingrich. fred thompson has joined us. i've got questions about cigars. >> alex has a sense of priority, and a good sense of priority. i want to talk to him about cigars as soon as we're finished. >> it's a deal. let's talk about the debate last night. how did you think it went for your candidate, you support newt gingrich. >> it wasn't his best debate. he substantively made some good points, points that need to be made on immigration. some time back newt kind of shocked everybody when he took a reasonable position with regard to folks who had been here for 25 years and they were good citizens. >> why is that not resonating with latinos in the state? >> well, it is. my point is though mitt attacked him for it then, said it was amnesty, all of that. now last night mitt's come around and agrees with newt. i think we're making progress on the immigration front. newt is -- there was about 20 latino leaders who sent a letter yesterday to mitt romney saying that some of us have been supportive of you in times past but we've changed and supporting newt. newt has strong support in the latino community. >> he does, but it's not as strong as mitt romney. >> we'll see. >> i guess you're right about that, won't we? let's talk about a new poll that has come out and it showed that on tuesday and thursday, so now mitt romney is at 38% support. that's up a few points from the sunday, monday poll. >> is this national or local? florida? >> likely gop primary voter, national. then newt gingrich was at 40% and drops to 29% in this latest poll that's out. >> one of the latest nbc wall street poll. >> almost a reverse of that. >> is almost a reverse. there you go. >> so what's the take away, that polls don't matter? >> no, the take away is that things are very, very tight. very, very tight. newt had, you know, some great debates. mitt made several stumbles. last night newt -- i mean mitt romney did what he often does, and that is when he gets in trouble, you know, he reaches out for the best kind of help that he can get, and he got apparently a good debate coach. he was feisty and aggressive and on debating points you've got to give him credit for that. so he made up some ground with regard to that, but really the main thing he's got going for him in florida, of course, is doing to newt what he did in iowa. he's taking up every air wave that's available, you know, to attack newt and say things, differences on issues, that's fine. when he says things like newt had resigned in disgrace and so forth, the most objective observers who were there, i was there in 1994. i came in because of the contract with america in large part probably, and to say that, you know, he resigned in disgrace and all of that without add that go after he left he was exonerated by everyone who was investigating him which made page 10 when that came out is -- they know better than that. they're working. if you've got millions of dollars to throw into an isolated situation or any one state with stuff like that, you know, it's going to have its effect. that's why it's so tight now. >> senator mccain told me on wednesday that he thinks there's real damage that's being done to the candidates when you have so many debates and it sort of drags on and on and on. do you think that's true? >> no. i must disagree with my old friend on that. i think it's steel on steel. i think that the person who comes out this have is going to be better. this is going to be nothing like the general election. do you think that mitt romney having a swiss bank account as late as 2010 is going to be something that david axle rod doesn't know about? he knows more about it than the republicans do. and these are things that are going to have to be dealt with. wasn't really dealt with last night, but it will be. they're going to have to be tough and aggressive over a long period of time and newt over the course of the campaign has shown that he's got the advantage on that. >> nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> we're buying breakfast. >> i just had coffee. can i come back tomorrow? >> you can have the crab cakes with the eggs and the who will lan days sauce. we'll come back in a moment and sit down with our panelists and assess the races. we'll be back in a moment. 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>> what i think is interesting is the whole conversation and back and forth he had in south carolina with santorum about grandiosity, about the space program in part yesterday kind of rang a little more strange. we'll talk about the clip on the other side. >> i'll tell you, i do not want to be the country having gotten to the moon first turned around and said, it doesn't really matter. let the chinese dominate space. what do we care? >> i spent 25 years in business. if i had a business executive come to me and say they wanted to spemd a few hundred billion dollars to put a colony on the moon, i'd say, you're fired. >> that is a turn. >> it absolutely is, and what you're seeing here is mitt romney in a more nuanced way doing what they have had bob dole and some conservatives in the party do. it's no longer about mitt romney's electability, it's about newt gingrich's unelectability. >> wolf blitzer offered newt gingrich a dog biscuit that would have been good not to bite at it. he could not control himself. he should have dismissed the moon colony question with a joke and moved on. instead, he allowed that conversation to take over. he could not control himself in the face of something he should have controlled himself in. >> when you have newt talking about moon colonies and you have mitt romney talking about blind trusts and swiss bank accounts. you have the issue of the party being completely out of touch. >> says our democratic strategist. >> i want to bring up one point. the vote here in florida is going to be critical. i didn't hear anything last night of these republicans trying to reach out in a broader way to latinos. let's face it, for the general they can't get to the white house without 40%. >> we have so much more to get to before we get to the general. slow down. slow down. >> there and inches. >> sloging through before we get to the general. we've got to take a short break. when we come back our end point with our panelists is up next. you're watching "starting point." they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. ♪ ♪ welcome back, everybody. this is the inside of the beach hut cafe here in jacksonville beach, florida. it is kind of a little bit of an overcast, not sunny day. david frum says it was 80 degrees here yesterday. i do not believe you. >> it was. >> it was? i always miss the good weather. it is time for our "end point" which is where we sum it up. candy crowley, why don't you start. >> you know, i think florida they used to talk about south carolina being the fire wall. i think in some ways south carolina -- i'm sorry, florida has become the fire wall. if they are going to stop newt gingrich or slow newt gingrich, it's going to have to be in florida. >> immigration, the latino vote, and tacos. we don't know how -- >> i'm kidding. >> sensitivity training. >> on the grounds outside the debate last night there were a lot of young protesters carrying signs saying we are the 99%. on the inside there we a