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Any of those six officers currently suspended or anyone else should be charged in freddie grays death. Gray died after he was arrested back on april 12th his spine severed. In announcing this handover today to the States Attorneys Office Police Leaders revealed another bombshell here. We learned that the prisoner transport van taking gray seen in the videos had actually made a stop investigators did not initially know about. Had is key here. Potentially key, potentially not at all. Thats what were waiting to find out. In total, the van stopped four times before ending up at the Police Station. It was there that an ambulance was finally called for freddie gray and he was taken to the citys shock trauma center. Let me begin our coverage this afternoon with athena jones. Shes live at the location in which that camera was there revealing that stop that this van made this previously undisclosed stop. Athena tell me where you are here in baltimore and where did this camera come from . Hi brooke. Im here in west baltimore not far from the Western District Police Station and not far from where freddie gray was first picked up. Were at north 1st avenue and mosher at a Grocery Store owned by a korean family. You can seizure vans cameras on the exterior. Notice here they have been theyve been disconnected. Its unclear at what point they were disconnected. But police did reveal today that theyd been examining video from private and public sources and this new information was obtained from a private camera. Weve spoken to the owner of this store. Hes very shaken up because this store was also looted on monday night. Our producer who speaks korean spoke to him. She said that police came to see him and enquired about the video some time last week. They asked to look at that footage sunday morning. They didnt really explain to him, our producer says what they were up to. But a few hours later, they sent experts to copy the footage. I should tell you this is new because a while ago we werent sure how they had obtained the video and when. The reason we werent sure is because notice this plywood board. That was where an air conditioner was. On monday night, several young people from the neighborhood tore that out, crawled through the window and looted the store. Thats why this owner is very shaken up. One more thing they did is stole his laptop computer which is what all of his surveillance cameras were attached to. So a while ago when we first learned of this and tried to talk to him, it was unclear when the police had come and whether he had handed over that footage, but he did do that were now told from our producer sometime last week. This is significant, of course because its a new stop. We dont know what happened here. But it raises more questions. Athena let me jump in. Forgive me. Thank you so much for that look at that store i need to hit pause and turn to this luncheon. Youre seeing the mayor of baltimore here speaking. We need to listen. People who love our city people who grew up here might not live here anymore. People who grew up in the same neighborhood might not live there anymore because they want better for their communities. What ive said consistently is the baltimore youve seen over the past few days is the baltimore that i know and love. What were known for, that resiliency that ability when everybody else counts us out, that we will stand together. Im so proud to be the mayor of this great city. [ applause ] a report was delivered today. I know that many anticipated it tomorrow. To the states attorney. Now is our time for unity and to Work Together as the gray family has asked for, as their attorney have asked for, to seek justice for mr. Gray. I just left Matthew Henson Elementary School. I was joined by community leaders, volunteers teachers, and our ravens. We handed out thousands of pounds of food. You know what everyone to a person theyre concerned about their community. They want justice, and they also want peace in their neighborhood. They want to know when were going to be able to rebuild their community. That has to be all of our focus. That has to be all of our work. And i know that we can get there. You know reverend sharpton i was listening to you talk about the fact that there are three africanamerican women who are pivotal in this case and it made me think about the fact that we are on a national stage. Im from here. You know this. I told you. Grew up across the street from wheres pastor carter . Where did he go . Sorry. Grew up across the street. I dont have any stories to tell you about him. He was good from the whole time ive known him. My parents grew up here. I wanted to serve the city of baltimore and the people of the city of baltimore since i was a child. And did everything i could to put myself in the best position to do that. Went to the Best High School in the city western high school. Dont hate. I went to the best college i could get to, oberlin college. I said if im going to be of service, i need to know a few things. I need to know how government works. So i studied government. And i need to know economics. I took three and a half years of economics. I dont even like economics. But i said i have to learn it if im going to be of service. When i left there, i went to law school. Why . Because i thought it was important training for the work that i intended to do for my city. And as soon as i got out of law school i ran for city council. And why . Because i love this city and i know we can be better than what we have seen. So reverend al when you were talking about the fact we need to stop playing and get real about whats possible the reason we cant the reason why nothing can happen to the officers and again, the Justice System will be what it will. We want the process to go forward. Innocent until proven guilty. Were going tool do all of that. But lets just say it was successsouth carolina. Even if the same thing happened because of the laws in this state, we cant do anything until after the trial is over. And when i went down to ann annapolis to try to fight for simple reforms for the Law Enforcement bill of rights people looked at me like i had three eyes. Now to stand here today and say, i dont care that i dont care i dont want to reform the Police Department when i was down there. Dont im not even going to tolerate it. The record is clear. I invited the department of justice in here to reform our Police Department to do collaborative reform. The only thing stronger than that is if they come in and do a Consent Decree and nobody wants the department of justice to come in here and take over our city. The highest form of reform the highest level of reform that you can get before they come, and the only reason they do a Consent Decree is if you dont own up to your problems. I know we have problems. I was determined to fix them. Dont get it twisted. The sun is trying to tell you all different stuff. 5 million here whatever. What they dont tell you is down Police Shootings discourtesy, excessive force, lawsuits against the city. Were finding more officers accused of wrongdoing guilty. They dont want to tell you that part because they dont want us to be in the victory. We will get justice for freddie gray. Believe you me, we will get justice. Were going to do it because were going to Work Together. With the nation watching three black women at three Different Levels cant get justice and healing for this community, you tell me where were going to get it in our country. So i want to thank the department of justice for coming here today. Community relations service, independent. I cant remember what you told me but i know you dont prosecute and you dont do Something Else but what you do is stand in the middle and make sure the process is right and the communities are able to heal while we seek justice. I want to thank you for being here. Theyre going to discuss at some point some training of community marshals. What we saw in baltimore were people standing up against the rioters, against the people who were looting and stealing. Those people i want to thank and those people we want to make sure they get more resources. I want to thank the department of justice for doing that. I want to thank you for your indulgence. I know i probably talked longer than you intended me to. But i want to thank you all and commit to working and doing everything in my power to help our city reach the greatness that i know in my heart were capable of. Thank you. Watching i was waiting to see if anyone was going to ask any questions. You were just listening to the mayor of baltimore. She was at a luncheon. We wanted to take that live. Shes definitely been under fire and criticism with how the city has handled this. We saw some of the violence and criminality saturday night. The state of emergency wasnt really declared until monday. She was responding to a little bit of that. She mentioned something i want to get to here. The States Attorneys Office here in baltimore has just issued a statement that the Police Findings are in her hands. Quote, we have been briefed regularly throughout their process while simultaneously conducting our own independent investigation into the death of freddie gray. While we have an will continue to leverage the information received by the department we are not relying solely on their findings but rather the facts that we have gathered and verified. Thats important there. It goes on we ask for the public to remain patient and peaceful and to trust the process of the Justice System. Lets discuss all of this. Georgetown law professor and former prosecutor paul butler is with me. Baltimore sun reporter Justin Fenton is here with me. I also have our justice correspondent evan perez. We think its important lets go with the fact that we now have one day early this report from the Police Investigation is now in the hands of the state attorney whos the city prosecutor. Why do you think it happened a day early . There was a lot of expectation about this report that they were going to deliver findings to the public. That obviously didnt happen. So i think that they wanted to deliver it a day early as a show of good faith, that they were working as fast as they could. They had exhausted all their leads and it was time to turn it over to the prosecutor who is ultimately the one who will decide whether there are charges filed. Paul, now that this sits in Marilyn Mosebys hands, she has the power to charge. There are six officers who are currently suspended. Can you walk me through the process . She has all this information from the Police Department. Obviously this is the Police Departments findings of its own officers. How does she keep that objectivity in looking into all of this . You know there are always questions about whether state prosecutors can be objective in these cases because frankly, they work with Police Officers every day. So its not so much that theyre biased but they might give people the benefit of the doubt. This is a prosecutor whos the youngest head prosecutor in the country. Both of her parents are Police Officers. She was endorsed by the police union. I think there are absolutely going to be questions about whether shes objective. Also, and evan, im coming to you in a second with what you have on the van stop. Finally for you, justin just knowing going to would it go to a grand jury or would it be up to her . Marilyn moseby ran on a platform of Community Engagement including criticizing her predecessor about the way he handled a previous highcustody policeinvolved death. Shes made statements in the past that she doesnt feel a grand jury should be used in a case like this. They are likely to use a grand jury to preserve testimony. Theres likely appearing before a grand jury, giving testimony. They use that as a mechanism to pull people in get them to talk. If her past statements are any indication shell be make the decision herself. Its also worth noting her lead investigator on the case is a longtime criminal defense attorney. Shes a firsttime prosecutor. Its not the homicide unit investigating it. Its the Police Integrity chief. Interesting. To you, sir. So we had athena jones at the top of the hour. She was explaining as it came out today this was news that there was a previously undisclosed stop of this prisoner transport van taking freddie gray to the Police Station and ultimately having the paramedics respond that no one knew about publicly. You say thats key. Well its key because for the interest of the Police Department theyve been trying to show that theyre being transparent. They released a timeline. For them now today, the last day, the day theyre turning this over to announce there was this previously unknown stop or at least previously undisclosed, and as athena pointed out, this was discovered so late this weekend, that they were able to get the stuff off the cameras there. Thats shocking frankly. The fact is that the police stops, every stop that van made was supposed to be radioed in. It was supposed to be over here at the Police Department there was suppose to be a log of every one of those stops. That was not done. The question is why . Why was that not done in this one . It raises brand new questions. That is going to be tough for the state Attorneys Office to have to figure out. So its the why wasnt it disclosed. Its also the what. What do you see on the tape . Would it be something because the question is what happened to freddie gray. We know he had the severed spine. He ultimately lapsed into a coma and died. Did it happen before the leg shackles were placed snon edd on . Did it happen in the van . When will we know . For every part of this timeline theyve disclosed what happened. The fact they only know about this from this private Surveillance Video, it tells me that the Surveillance Video is not clear. It doesnt its not decisive as to what exactly occurred. So now this is up to the state attorneys investigators and perhaps any witnesses, perhaps anybody else who can come forward to shed some more light on this. Thats going to be the answer. Its going to come from that. Okay. Final question to you, paul butler. Youre listening to evan and a lot of people questioning the transparency of this Police Department and all this information being handed over to the states attorney. As youre listening to all of this whats your takeaway today . So, you know in highprofile cases, theres always this need to preserve the integrity of the investigation, but that has to be balanced against the publics right to know. When the police encountered freddie gray he was a healthy 25yearold man. A week later, he was dead with a crushed vocal box and a severed spine. Weve been hearing for a week that the chief of police doesnt know what happened. Now hes saying he knows what happened but hes not going to share it with us. In a city with tense relations between the community and the police this move does not move things forward. Paul bethutler, thank you. Justin fenton and evan perez, thank you very much. Coming up on cnn, were learning more about the state prosecutor. 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Her mother father and grandfather were all Law Enforcement in the city of boston. So cnn legal analyst sunny hostin is here with me. She knows baltimore better than any of us and knows the mayor. Always feel like i need to get that out there. What more can you share . I think whats interesting is shes very young to be a top prosecutor of a big city like baltimore. 35. Shes only 35 years old. She doesnt have a lot of experience, prosecutorial experience. She was in this very same office for a little less than four years. My understanding is she hasnt tried a murder case. So thats a very unique position to be in because typically when you are a states attorney youve done it all. Youve prosecuted all sorts of cases and worked your way up. You have the confidence of not only the Police Department but also the prosecutors that work for you that look to you. So shes now dealing with a very interesting dynamic because shes the top prosecutor but of course working and being sort of in charge of a lot of prosecutors that have more experience than she does. So this will be i think, a huge test of her leadership quite frankly. Even though she comes from a family of Law Enforcement, which is very important, i think, in terms of shaping her perspective, her experience is being questioned by certain people in the legal community. Lets hear from her, just a little bit in her own words. This is Marilyn Moseby when she was campaigning for this job. I learned very early on that the criminal Justice System isnt just the police the judges and the states attorneys. Its much more than that. I believe that we are the Justice System. We the members of the community, are the Justice System because we are the victims of crimes. So you point out and we pointed out, you know, yes, she has Law Enforcement in her family. Though i also know shes been involved seeking justice in cases involving officerinvolved shootings. Weve talked about too many of these cases. Im wondering when if ever would because we talk about objectivity. She has to be objective here. When would they make a call to potentially send it to a special prosecutor somebody removed from the city . I think that call will not be made quite frankly. This is a big case for baltimore. Its a case that a young prosecutor a states attorney thats trying to make a name for herself, will want to keep in house and do it right and do it well. Weve seen situations like in florida where angela cory was named a special prosecutor. In the George Zimmerman case. I thought that was a very smart move. There are going to be questions about this states attorneys potential conflicts. We know her husband is a Baltimore City councilman. Quite frankly, this incident happened in his district. So thats going to be questioned. Her tied to billy murphy whos representing the gray family. Those ties are going to be questioned. This is a case i think shes going to keep in her office but it will be a true test of her leadership. Shes got the case one day early here in baltimore. Sunny hostin thank you so much. Listening to the police about 90 minutes ago, they said they will give a News Conference every 90 minutes. Were waiting and watching to see potentially the captain, the deputy commissioner, the commissioner here. Were standing big for that. Also ahead, former Baltimore Ravens star ray lewis definitely a voice of influence here in the city. He went to one of the local schools this morning and wanted to talk to these young people and we spoke with him. Hear from ray lewis himself coming up. Youre watching cnns special live coverage. All right. Just a reminder that we are watching and waiting for that Baltimore Police News Conference to happen. They say theyre going to have them every 90 minutes. So well take it as soon as we can. Meantime lets talk football in the city. Several former and current Baltimore Ravens players have taken to social media, spreading a message of nonviolence in response to whats happened here in baltimore. Many of them have been around including Baltimore Ravens linebacker ray lewis. They have been asking and pleading for peace. In fact ray lewis recently posted this. We must come together. We can stop the violence as a community. These kids have to have real leaders. We need everybody to join this movement. Now ray lewis is taking his message into the city schools. He actually went to several schools this morning and spoke to students there. He also spoke with my colleague ryan young. Ryan young, tell me what he said. Well we were there with the coach and the ravens players. John harbaugh was also talking to students, talking about having discipline in your life. Ray lewis also pointed to the communities and buildings like the ones behind us where he said he wanted to see some of the students to get an opportunity and chance. He talked about his own life and fact at some points his stomach was empty because he didnt have food because he grew up in poverty. He wanted to give the message to a kids to make sure they grew up to have a chance to have a fruitful life and make a step forward. This was part of his message as we walked and talked between two schools. From the beginning of time you know why everybodys praising the young lady who snatched her child up. Thats what mothers need to be doing. Your kids running around on the street it should have been a war between mothers and sons or whoever was out there. My mom would have slapped me. If i would have turned around and saw my mama i would have asked the lord to bring me home. I would not want to deal with that. And thats what he saw. But thats what we need man. Its got to go back. Thats what message is. The messages is they ask, where do we go where do we start . Weve been starting. Now that you have a voice keep voicing it. Brooke we had a long conversation. Not only about whats going on here but how the media is coffering it. What he was asking for and quite honestly before he decided to talk to us he wanted the idea that nobody would just go away after this was all over. Its going to take years to repair. He talked about the idea there needs to be investment especially in the small children seeing this for the first time. Hes worried after everyone leaves that theres going to be a Community Left behind thats going to need jobs for these young men. Several of the people in the crowd were asking him questions about how do they prepare for life. He said pull up your pants, stop being on the cell phones all the time. Con sencentrate and try to change your life. Thats a message he wants to go beyond baltimore. He talked about detroit, cleveland, cities that have urban issues that he wants to help. I love it. I was in one of these communities earlier today. Well hear my interview with this 24yearold in a moment. So much about is this the leaders talking to the young people in these communities. So im wondering that if you got a chance to flip the camera around and see some of these young people and how they received his message. Well absolutely. We had to talk to some of the young people which was the best part. We did that live on cnn a little earlier today. Some of the young football players, some of the Young Leaders at that school who took that message in. When he asked for silence and was talking to them with such passion, they were listening. Sometimes you have after voice thats a little different. Not a politician. Someone whos speaking from the heart. I think that message cut through the crowd. But he was challenged because they asked questions about whats going to happen next. The kids were upset because they felt like they were being blamed for the riot. You saw adults in that crowd. It wasnt this high school that started the riot. He said he absolutely understood that. But stop thinking about whats being reported and lets try to change whats going on within your own heart and make this Community Better day by day. Ryan, do me a favor. I want to keep this conversation going. Just a heads up to our viewers. We got a twominute warning before this police conference. In the meantime im curious specifically ryan when youre talking to these young people at this school and i understand theyre frustrated. They dont want to be blamed for monday. What is it that they need in these communities to make the right choices . Well, you know honestly were already working toward this in your show and the next hour. Just the idea of investment and jobs. A 17yearold man stood up i did say man stood up and said look i need help. I need money. I need a job so i can eat. That really reflected throughout the crowd. Another young man said we need to change how we do things. So you have voices that are speaking up quite differently than they have before. I can tell you, even the teachers were impressed with some of the young people and what their expressions were. Ray lewis says look as we were walking and talking, we need to bring back discipline that respect for adults. But at the same time we have to show them theres a future. What hes worried about is some of these kids have already given up on life at the age of 14 15 and 16. This young woman i spoke with today, you know, her fathers incarcerated. Her mother now is kind of in her life but was really absent as she was growing up. She was so grateful for her grandmother. Im going to cut myself off. Ryan young, thank you very much. We want to go to this police News Conference here in the city of baltimore. Lets listen. I have some information that i want to bring you up to speed on. Yesterday we talked about the administrative process was catching up. Monday night we were in a heightened state of emergency. We were taking quick and decisive action. There was a lot of administrative processes that had to catch up with that. I want to give you updated numbers on injured officers. This is a sum total from when the violence first began on monday to where we are today. In total, weve had 98 officers report injuries during the course of the events. Of those 98 43 required some sort of emergency treatment at a hospital. 13 of them are out on medical, meaning they are unable to come in to work at all. And 15 are on light duty meaning theyre able to perform administrative functions, but theyre not able to work on the street. Another 15 after being treated, remain full duty. So a total of 98 officers have been injured during the course of the events. Yesterday and then into the overnight hours, we released a total of 106 people as a result of the 48hour deadline to file criminal charges. We will continue to pull video footage and have our investigative units look for people whose identification we know that matches with Video Evidence that shows criminal activity. We will then file the appropriate charges to ensure that they are criminally charged. Our deployment is similar throughout the city today as it was yesterday and the day before. Were continuing to monitor intelligence and social media to look for any events that might take place today. We have the same sort of response that we had yesterday with resources throughout the city. In the event something pops up somewhere, were able to quickly shift resources to address it. Again, with safety being our top priority for both our officers our citizens and the city we are aware that at 4 00 this afternoon, there is a planned march from north avenue down st. Paul to city hall. We do not know how large that will be and what potential impact that might have on vehicle traffic. Were asking motorists to use caution in the area. The curfew is in effect tonight. It will be enforced. Last night we had nine adults and two juveniles who were arrested for curfew violations. The vast majority and i dont have a breakdown, of those arrests occurred between midnight and 3 00 a. M. With that ill take questions. Captain, the commissioner dropped a bombshell when he said there was a second unscheduled stop of the van, of the police van. Was he suggesting are you all telling us that the arresting officers covered up or lied about stopping that police van after freddie gray was inside the vehicle . So what i tell you is weve stated from the beginning when we have information that were able to share, we will. As the commissioner said today, it would be inappropriate for us to further comment on the status of the investigation. It is now in the hands of the states attorney. But youve left us hanging. I dont know do you mean it was just unannounced, or was it covered up . As i just said we have released information as were able to do so. And weve now turned the case over to the states attorney. Sir, i really cant answer further. I understand there are questions people want to have answers to. But unfortunately, we cant talk anymore about it. Other questions . Sir . At any point on monday during the unrest was there ever a point at which your agency received any kind of stand down or reduction of response or any order from any agency what weve been saying consistently since monday is that we deploy officers for an event that was originally supposed to be a high school gathering, 13 14 15yearolds. We worked as that event escalated, as the number of people and ages escalated, we worked to deploy resources to match the event we were seeing the violent. The commissioner talked about the fact we were undermanned and overwhelmed by the number of people and the level of violence we saw, which is what led us to where we are today. We had officers that were out there. I came down and talked that afternoon. We had 20 officers injured in that initial encounter. What you saw was us deploying resources and continuing to move forward, continuing to attempt to disperse the crowd, continuing to without any break in the action continuing to address the violence. You released 106 people you said. Of the people that have been arrested how many have actually been charged . To follow up on that have you charged anybody who struck your officers that first day . I have to look to get the breakdown of arrests for you. At the next briefing well get that information for you. What i can tell you, of the 201 people that were initially arrested during that initial 48hour window that weve been talking about, 106 people were released without us charging them. The others were criminally charged. Can you give us those numbers again . Speak this way. Sure. Sorry. During the initial encounter, we had the 201 arrests. We had the 48hour window weve been working with for the administrative process. 106 people have been released without criminal charges being filed yet. They will be filed. The remaining people have been criminally charged. Every stop the van makes, its supposed to log. Is that correct . So as ive said we put out as much as information this is just general. Every stop a police van makes they are supposed to log and report that stop. Is that correct . I understand, sir. I understand the question. And we understand people have a lot of questions. But right now weve turned the case over to the States Attorneys Office and were not going to comment further on it. Would you comment on the Washington Post report that there is information that freddie gray injured himself . What weve been saying consistently since last night is we cannot comment on the case. We cannot take the risk of compromising the case. Sorry to go back at it but you didnt answer my question. Did you receive any directive that said temper your response or hold back or anything to that . I think the best answer that i can give you to that question is the answer that i gave you. If you look at what our officers did, they stood in the face of violent you know the commissioner showed last night what that rocked look like. These werent little pebbles being thrown. These were chunks of cement with serrated edges and glass embedded in them. Thats what was being thrown at our officers. There were cameras from across the city that were covering what was happening there. They saw our officers continuing to do everything that they could to end the violence to make sure people in that community were safe. And they did not stop. They never yielded. Thats what we expected of our officers. Well brief again in another hour and a half. I continue to urge people to follow us baltimorepolice on twitter. Well be putting out information as the day continues. All right. We just wanted to make sure and take that. He was asked, you could hear those reporters asking about those two really key questions that the commissioner dropped about 90 minutes ago. One, that there was this undisclosed stop of this van that was carrying freddie gray. Why did the public not know about it . So he wouldnt comment on that. He also wouldnt comment on the Washington Post report that a source told the post that the other prisoner inside the van believes freddie gray was intentionally trying to injure himself. No comment there. The investigation now sitting today, one day ahead of schedule with the States Attorneys Office. Lets talk about the people of the city. For the people in freddie grays neighborhood here in baltimore, you know runins with police its part of life. The winchester district is home to people held in state prisons. In fact more people held in state prisons than any other neighborhood in this entire state. I went out walking with a 24yearold woman whos been clean for a year. She turned her life around after growing up with, as she referred to it limited options. No parents present. And she knows these streets almost better than anyone. So you grew up in east baltimore, born and raised. Born and raised in east baltimore. And tell me about how you moved here to west baltimore. Life became unmanageable. My grandmother raised me. She worked a lot to take care of us. So i often hung out with my friends, my peers, my classmates and got into the wrong things. Drugs, alcohol. One of my friends came here. She got herself together. And she came back and grabbed some of us. And we came here. Out of all of them that came back im only one that stayed. Youre the only one that stayed. Only one that stayed. I want to talk about your life here but first tell me when you say you got mixed up in the wrong things drugs, what drugs, how did you get mixed up . Marijuana, alcohol, ecstasy, a mixture of using and selling. Using and selling . Yeah. How easy is it to stand out here on a Street Corner and sell . Not easy at all. Not easy . But when you believe you have limited options, thats what you do. Until you learn otherwise. Did you grow up always believing you had limited options . No. Then what changed . My grandmother always worked hard and instilled in us to work hard and take care of yourself and go to work to do the things you need to do. But throughout her working, the presence of a parent was missing. So in hindsight, we kind of raised ourself. Presence of a parent meaning your dad whos been incarcerated. Yeah. My mom, who isnt incarcerated but justactive. We have a Good Relationship now, but you know im grown now. Why is it important for you to know about the history of baltimore . Because you dont appreciate something unless you know the specifics of it. You cant appreciate something that you dont work hard for. So if we dont understand the hard work of the building of Baltimore City we cant understand the effect of the destruction. Lets go back to what youre talking about with limited options. What options were limited to you, are limited to so many people in this community . Education, recreation. We have no Recreation Centers in this community. But our center has become a vessel. Our primary care was adults with Substance Abuse problems. Having a director thats so passionate when i came in and implicated we need something for the youth, he was all for it. We understand like i said theres no Recreation Centers around here. Just sitting here and looking around you have all these different row houses right. I see a grocery over there. Ive seen liquor stores. Ive seen churches. Thats it. Thats it. I mean were all here covering this story, the death of freddie gray who i think lived right around here. When you see police roll through, how have your interactions with police been . The police doesnt bother me because i dont bother them per se in this moment. But my interaction with Police Officers period is that this all started because Police Officers, allegedly, killed a man, a young black man. Now media has made these same officers victims. I dont understand that. I dont understand how they have become victimized in a situation where a young black man was killed with still no answers. But its in a light where, oh we have to make sure our officers are safe. Just in the last week or so. But we have to make sure were safe every day. This is something weve been dealing with our whole lives. Not just a black race but any race thats in poverty or a minority period. Weve been dealing with Police Brutality forever. Itll never change. Were so busy blaming each other and bashing each other and murdering each other that were easy target. They always say united we stand, divided we fall. Right now were divided because some people are like oh, no justice, no peace. Then others what does that mean to you, by the way . No justice, no peace, when you hear people saying that. I think its just an expression of anger, hurt builtup frustration. Were not going to stop bothering you to get those results until you give us those results. Kiarra thank you so much for spending time with me. We have much more of our conversation coming up next hour. I have to stand here and tell you, shes been clean for a year. Shes been at penn north recovery center. Its not quite one year old. Its helped 100 people turn their lives around. We wanted to recognize them as this phenomenal place. Their website, pennnorth. Com if you want more information. Coming up were going to continue this conversation spring boarding off my chat with kiarra. What needs to be done in these communities. Some of the points she made about why arent officers coming from these communities and becoming cops. What needs to be done . All of that. Youre watching cnns special live coverage. Im Brooke Baldwin in baltimore. music boys . Stop less. Go more. The passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. Just one reason volkswagen is the 1 selling diesel car brand in america. You just heard my conversation with 24yearold kiarra. I thought she was pretty phenomenal to sit with me today. I wanted to have a broader conversation. Civil unrest so often can be tied to social woes pushed to their breaking point. Many times these woes involve economic and urban neglect. You have unemployment Poor Health Care substandard housing and schools, lack of nutrition. The west Baltimore Neighborhood where freddie gray lived has the highest incarceration rate in the state. Its Median Household Income is less than 25,000. The incidents of Domestic Violence ranks far higher than the city average. Row upon row of these abandoned homes blanket the citys depressed areas. People here in baltimore, like so many others who live in these impoverished communities, endure these daily hardships to get by day by day by day. Rutham ruth ruthann norton is here with me. Welcome to both of you. This is the most important conversation i think im having all day long because i wanted to get into the neighborhoods and talk to these young people to understand what the daytoday life is. I think first with you, in terms of lead paint it seems so simple. This little detail. Lead paint in these homes that have been there for decades affects these young people years later like freddie gray. Decisions that we made in 1938 that said we were mandating the federal government mandated the use of leadbased paint in lowincome housing where kids were dying in the 40s, 50s from lead poisoning. But that toxic legacy and that decision has stayed in these houses for decades, and the trajectory of kids coming out of a leadpainted house, a house that theres no investment high rates of asthma. Number one reason Kids Miss School lead poisoning. The major contributing to learning disabilities, to the inability to read well and a major contributor to violent and aggressive behavior. I first read about it and thought, how am i talking about lead paint . Weve lost this young man. But its all connected. You are in the heart of these communities, reverend. You heard this young woman saying, i had limited options from a young age. She says why arent more Police Officers coming from my community to protect and serve . Why not . Why not . And i can speak as one whos been here most of my life. I went to Elementary School there. One block from where i pastor right now. Back then everybody was community. Everybody looked after each other. You didnt just see your elected officials when crisis came along. But people could identify with them. When i came along, everybody knew the neighborhood policemen. There was a relationship established between the community and them. Unfortunately, now, as pastor i see youngsters who really have no hope for a future. And i think what were seeing right now is the cry saying, hear us. Not only hear us show that you really care for us by providing the things that we really need. I was onetime janitor of the church i pastor now. Sharon baptist church. Thank god i had the Community Support that supported me. When i went to college, there were no fwrantgrants. There was no money from the government. There were limited scholarships. I went to church based on the dollar bills, fives and tens that people in the community gave to me because i felt i had the strength and they let me know i could be somebody. Whats happening is youre raising generation after generation who have the same hopelessness. Hopelessness. Thats right. You say we need to hear them. Thats why i went there today to listen. She says we need community centers. She explained to me how one gets into dealing drugs on the streets at age 14. She explained it to me. So now what . You cant make oneoff investments and say were going to solve generations of poverty. You cannot set up communities and put lead paint on the walls and allow disinvestment and think well occasionally open a rec center and close it. Well occasionally open a pool and close it. There has to be commitment. We have to go all in if we want to stop the story of freddie gray. Who needs to go all in . Final question. Where does that money come from . Federal government has to go all in. Federal government City Government state government. And they have to go in beyond the crises. Thats right. When this situation is over when we pack up and leave, it needs to happen. You still have to have the commitment. Theyve got to show this Younger Generation that we do love you, that we are real, that were concerned about you. And were going to help you to have real goals and objectives because were going to nurture you. And were going to invest. Were going to invest in your infrastructure and not cut the knees out from you by the time youre 2 that says youre on this pathway to prison or to the corner. Instead, youre on the pathway to school and opportunity. The same opportunities that we have got. Ruthann, a