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i wasn't there. i wasn't present in that crime. >> cnn's matthew chance was in the courtroom. matthew, walk us through this morning's hearing, will you? >> reporter: yeah, martin. it was very emotional. amanda knox came in escorted by the guards and looked very stressed indeed, very pale. her head was hung down. she didn't even look at her family, who were gathered in one corner of the courtroom to give her support. her former boyfriend also serving a lengthy prison sentence for the murder of meredith kircher, spoke first. he said they were both innocent. then the big moment came. perhaps the biggest speech of amanda knox's life. she turned to the jury and managed to compose herself because she was in tears, and, you know, make this impassioned plea for them to set her free. she said she wanted her life back. she was tired of being punished for something she didn't do, she said. and so she said it all as well in fluent italian. over the past four years since she's been in prison she obviously has perfected the spoken local language that. may have endeared her somewhat to the jury as well. the jury has now retired from the court. we're not expecting to hear back from them for several hours from now. >> matthew chance, thank you very much, outside the courthouse there. and i am certain that, yes, speaking fluent italian did have an impression on the jury. paula newton is now outside the courtroom where the jury is deliberating. if the jury does overturn the verdict, how soon could she go free? >> amanda knox believes she could be free tonight, that's returned here to this prison where she sits right now, and that she would be on a plane home within hours. i just spoke to an italian parliament earn who was allowed in to visit with her. he says she is in the prison chapel. she is singing hymns, playing hymns. she is being allowed to stay with the chaplain, the prison's chaplain, and that she is absolutely confident, she's calm, she does believe she will be on a plane bound for home tonight. martin? >> and there is also even though this is an appeal, still a further appeal that is possible here. is that true for both sides? >> reporter: it is true for both sides, but they cannot hold her. if she is absolved, if she is acquitted in this appeal, she is a free woman, she'll be given her passport back. she will be able to go home. if they order another appeal case, that means that the italian government can appeal for extradition from the united states to italy. but that is a long way off, and that is after a high court ruling which would be several months away, and if the prosecution wins that. >> paula newton standing by outside of the prison where amanda knox is currently being held. thank you very much. we'll stay in touch with both and you matthew. thanks. here in the states occupy wall street protesters are not backing down. 700 people were arrested on the brooklyn bridge saturday. and now the demonstration is spreading across the country. allison is at the new york stock exchange. allison, this protest is now in its third week, right? >> exactly, martin. and it is growing. you can see the difference from when i was out there on the street talking with them just a few days ago to now. you can see how the numbers are growi growing. they wanted media attention, and now they've got it. but this time the media attention is more for the arrests that happened over the weekend here in new york. hundreds of protesters marched on the brooklyn bridge, essentially shutting it down for a few hours, so hundreds were either arrested or ticketed for walking on the roadway. after that, after they were released from lockup, they went straight back to the park right around here in the financial district, went back to holding their signs. denouncing everything from corporate greed to high gas prices and calling for a four-day work week. and you know, we're seeing this star power continue as well. along with susan sarandon, who we ran into last week, media mogul russell simmons jumping on the band wag an, lending advice to help protesters define their message. even alec baldwin took to twitter, offering his support, sending encouraging messages to them. one interesting thing that happened this weekend, martin, if we can go to that, our reporter was doing a live shot out there, and they literally threw a dog across the way. i don't quite understand what they were trying to accomplish there. so much for peace, love, and understanding, martin. >> tossing the dog. thanks very much, we'll check back with you and see how the markets are doing. and it's not shaping up to look like a good day. thanks. now to politics. texas governor rick perry at the center of a controversy. over the name of a texas hunting camp once leased by him and his family that contained the n word. according to "the washington post," a rock at the camp entrance was painted with the name in big letters. campaign spokespersons thsays ty painted over the rock soon after they started to use it. >> rick perry definitely in the spotlight because of that "washington post" article yesterday. and what was telling was how quick the perry campaign early on a sunday morning reacted to cnn when we reached out to them. very quick with the reaction. and here is part of the statement from the campaign saying a number of claims made in the story are incorrect, inconsistent, and anonymous, including the implication that rick perry brought groups to the lease when the word on the rock was still visible. the one consistent fact in the story is that the word was painted over years ago. but some sources say the word was on the rock just a few years back. herman cain, also running for the presidential nomination, he was asked about it. here's what he said. >> my reaction is that's just very insensitive. that there -- there isn't a more vile, negative word than the n word. and for him to leave it there before they finally painted over it, it's just plain inssensitive to a lot of black people in the country. >> just moments after herman cain went on the talk shows, the perry campaign came back with another reaction saying that they agreed with herman cain that the word is definitely insensitive, but said that again the rock was painted over. what will be telling, martin, will other campaigns like the mitt romney campaign speak out this issue and attack rick perry. it was a controversial weekend for him not only for that story but his comments on maybe the possibility of sending u.s. troops into mexico. rick perry definitely in the spotlight this morning, martin. >> and this brings up the issue with all of these problems, could it mean that chris christie might now change his mind, jump in? >> yeah. and a lot of speculation on whether he will be doing that. the latest chorus of calls for him to do that came after perry stumbled in that debate about a week ago. right now, christie supporters are trying to decide if there's enough time to start up a campaign to raise the money to get the teams together in the early states. all eyes are on chris christie this morning. >> indeed. all right. paul steinhauser, thank you very much. we'll have your next political update in one hour. for all of your latest political news, go to our website, cnnpolitics.com. coming up, president obama's health care law is about to get a checkup of sorts. the supreme court will examine it to rule if it's constitutional. we'll take a closer look. plus, prince harry swoops into the u.s. for some flight training. we've got details on his military mission. my name is jill strange, i'm forty-nine years-old, i love gardening, and i love volleyball. i've been taking osteo bi-flex for several years now. i really can't see myself not taking it. osteo bi-flex is a great product. i can go back and do gardening with comfort. 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[ male announcer ] osteo bi-flex. the #1 doctor and pharmacist recommended brand. checking stories right now cross country, a rocky night in the skies over boston. as many as 18 people were injured when two different flights experienced extreme turbulence. 11 were onboard a lufthansa flight from charlotte to munich. another fron a jetblue flight fm san juan to boston. >> i saw the plane going, down, down, down. >> i thought, it was so scary. it was quite a surprise. >> speaking of surprises, in new orleans, police are searching for the driver of this pickup truck. it slammed right through the main door of the district attorney's office. the driver ran off. police are calling it a hit-and-run. but aren't quite sure of the motive. and then people in phillipsburg, pennsylvania, woke up to the first snowflakes of the season. up to one inch of snow was reported in some parts of the state. snow in early october is rare, but apparently not unheard of. at least not there. it is the first monday in october, and that means a new term for the u.s. supreme court. justices have several politically charged issues before them, including president obama's health care law. and cnn's athena jones explains. >> reporter: monday kicks off a new term for the supreme court. and health care tops the list of big issues the nine justices could take on. the obama administration has asked the nation's highest court to rule on the constitutionality of the patient protection and affordable care act, the health care overhaul signed into law last year. lawsuits brought by 28 states and dozens of individuals and groups have challenged the federal government's right to require people to purchase health insurance. the key provision in the law. analysts say that the court will almost certainly address this hot button issue this term. with a decision coming just months before the presidential election. >> the law itself is obviously really important, whether you like it or not. it has tremendous consequences for president obama's re-election because it's a signature achievement. >> the politics of health care aside, this is a central issue. this could change the way the government and the people interact, you know, going forward in our country. >> reporter: among cases already on the court's docket, an electronic surveillance case that asks whether police can attach a gps track toer to a suspect's car without a warrant. the essential question, do motorists have any right to privacy on public roads? another about whether prisons can subject people arrested for even minor offenses to strip searches. and whether the federal communications indecency rules violate broadcast networks' free speech rights. >> they'll have to decide what the free speech rights of broadcasters are to put profanity and some nudity on the air. >> reporter: other politically charged issues that could come up include immigration, gay marriage, affirmative action, and abortion. >> the supreme court so far term is shaping up to be pretty interesting, but it could become absolutely explosive and enthralling. the most interesting one in the century. >> reporter: one more important point to reiterate, and that's that the supreme court only takes one out of every 10 cases it's petitioned to review. and the justices haven't decided if they are going to tackle this health care overhaul. still, nearly every legal analyst you speak to believes that the court will have to wade into the debate. athena jones, at the supreme court. coming up, the recession officially ended two years ago. but some economists are now raising the odds of another one. we'll go to the stock exchange for details. plus, the british are coming. yeah. prince harry himself leading the military charge. we'll tell you why. he is heading to arizona. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? all right. let's get you showbiz headlines update. "dolphin tale" soaked its box office competition. the movie earned another $14 million, bumping "lion king" from the top spot down to number three. get this. five years after its cancellation, possible new life for "arrested development." the creator plans a short spinoff series. he says it will be a prequel. the long rumored "arrested development" movie. and the end of the broadcast era. after more than 30 years, andy rooney hangs it up at "60 minutes." in his final message, rooney says he's not totally retiring. he plans to keep writing. and also saved some time for his fans. >> a lot of you have sent me wonderful letters and said good things to me when you meet me in the street. i wasn't always gracious about it. it's hard to accept being liked. i don't say this often. but thank you. although if you do see me in a restaurant, please just let me eat my dinner. >> and with that, rooney wrapped up his 1,097th "60 minutes" essay. congratulations to him. prince harry's deploying to the desert this week for military duty, but no, it's not afghanistan. he's headed to arizona. max foster is here to explain. what's going on? >> yeah. he's heading there this week as i understand it. it's the military training exercise. he is training the final part of his training to fly the apache helicopter. they have missiles on them and machine guns. and he's going to fire a live missile for the first time. he is there for about two months, but he'll also spend some time in el centro in california. we're told no media access to him. these images of him are from afghanistan in 2008. and we got these images after he returned. we expect the same sort of thing to happen again. so there are photographers heading that way. people are hanging out in las vegas, hoping the party prince will show his true colors. he's famous for enjoying the odd drink. but certainly palace sources saying it's all work, work, work while he's there, martin. >> all right, max. i know you are not one to brag, but i do have hear you've got a very special invitation this morning. >> well, as you ask, martin, i received this today. it's an invitation from the queen. her majesty's command to invite me to a reception. it's part of a buildup to the diamond jubilee celebrations next year. she has been on the throne, the queen, for 60 years. there will be lots of pomp and ceremony next year. you can expect to see a bit of what we saw with the royal wedding really this year. lots of celebrations, a buildup to that. next summer expect to see lots of parties here in the uk. i'll get you details after the event. looking forward to that, max. you know, i got an invite to burger king. that's the only royalty here in this country. thank you, max. we'll be back in touch. alicesabamalalison coskoe the new york stock exchange. >> today, fitch ratings has cut its global economic forecast for growth saying that even emerging markets are slowing right along with the u.s. and europe, because what we're seeing happen is volatility has intensified. and there's much not confidence in government and policy makers at this point. fitch doesn't expect a double dip reception, but does say the likelihood has increased. but we did speak with someone from the economic research institute, and he says we're there, we're in a recession, or we're about to be in one. he was on "american morning" today. listen to what he had to say. >> in this case, we have a conceptual underpinning of how recessions and recoveries take place in this country. in a market economy, recessions are part and parcel of a market economy. we're not going to get away from them. and looking at the facts, we see that the forward looking indicators, not one, not two, dozens of leading indexes, are falling. there's contagion among the indexes. they are falling in a way that we only see when a recession is underway. >> and he says basically what's happening with the economy right now is just there are too many negative factors weighing on it. we have home prices extremely low. no jobs were created in august. manufacturing is slowing. economists expect greece to run out of money this month. he does say along with others that if we are in a recession or headed for one, it would not be as bad as 2008. it would be more mild. on cusp of hearing this, we have u.s. markets looking like they'll open lower today. that will follow what overseas markets did, they are down 1% to 4% today. >> all right, alison. thank you very much. we are waiting to hear about amanda knox and her fate at any time. a jury could overturn her murder verdict or give her more prison time. and taking out al-awlaki. a big win on the war on terror. but was it legal? we will talk about the legality of targeting u.s. citizens overseas after the break. checking top stories right now, the second week of testimony in the involuntary manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray will start this morning. defense secretary leon panetta is in the middle east, urging israeli and palestinian leaders to restart peace talks. he says that israel has to improve its relations with other countries in the region. and bruce beutler is one of three scientists sharing a nobel prize for their discoveries on how the immune system works. right now, amanda knox's fate is in the hands of an italian jury. she is the american student who was tried and convicted of killing a roommate. knox has always maintained his innocence, and today she finds out if the jury believes her. here's what she told them earlier. >> translator: i want to go back home. i want to go back to my life. i don't want to be punished. to have my life, my future, taken away from me for things that i haven't committed. because i am innocent. knox could go free or she could go back to prison for a stiffer sentence. today is the culmination of four years of denials by knox and her co-defendant. cnn drew griffin shows us how knox got to this point. >> reporter: american amanda knox was intent on spending her junior year of college studying abroad, an adventure of sorts which would land the 20-year-old in the picturesque italian town of perugia. it was late summer 2007. knox had moved in this house with three other girls. one was british-born meredith kircher. knox settled in, took classes at the local university, got a part-time job and even found a new boyfriend, 23-year-old rafaela. the adventure soon became a nightmare. on the night of november 1, 2007, knox's roommate, meredith kircher, was sexual assaulted and left for dead in the home that the girls shared. as police searched for clues, knox had originally told them she spent the night at her boyfriend's place. but just four days later, november 5, 2007, amanda knox changed her story. after hours of interrogation, knox confessed to being in the home the night kircher died, adding that her boss, patrick labum ba was there as well. kircherkilled, according to one theory, after refusing to take place in a group sex game. kircher and her boyfriend were arrested, so was lamum ba, but he was released. it became a sensation in italy and in knox's hometown, the tabloids labeling her foxy knoxy. november 2007, police identify yet another suspect. 20-year-old rudy guday, an immigrant from the ivory coast who appeared to be on the run. he was caught in germany the next day. one month later, he was charged with kircher's murder. october of 2008. he was found guilty, sentenced to 30 years. his lawyers would get it down to 16 years on appeal. he had claimed amanda knox and her former lover were with him. but their trial wouldn't begin until january 16, 2009. throughout, both insisted they were innocent. the court didn't believe them. and on december 5, 2009, knox and her former boyfriend were convicted of killing and sexually assaulting meredith kircher. knox got 26 years in prison. november 2010. knox begins the long road to appeal. all the while remaining in jail and defiant. drew griffin, cnn. >> and we continue to wait out that verdict. when it comes, we will of course bring it to you. meantime, onwards. when the president comes to town, people swarm. roads close, traffic stands still. but if you're staying in your hotel, get ready to be frisked, screened and searched. somebody who knows that, bob greene, an author and cnn contributor who ended up at the same hotel as the president on a recent trip to new york, and he wrote an article for cnn.com called, barack obama slept here." bob, thanks for joining us. what was it like moving around your hotel while obama was there? >> well, we all know exactly how stringent security has gotten. but it's not until you somehow by coincidence encounter it up close that you realize that the bubble we always talk about the president traveling in has really turned into a sort of multicity block bunker. i mean, from every aspect of it, every block around the hotel is shut off. guests coming in and out, coming in have to their bags taken outside and put through special screening devices. there are literally secret service war wagons -- you can't call them anything else -- parked on streets right next to the hotel with no other traffic. and it makes you stop and think about what we've gotten used to, the president, by necessity, of course, having to travel in this kind of security, is a real change from the days -- remember there used to be that old phrase, george washington slept here? >> yeah. >> and it was spoke really of the early days of the country, when the president would by happenstance come by and stay at a country inn or a lodge. it's just how dramatically things because of terrorism and because of the violent history in this country have changed. >> back in the days of the lincoln white house, you could walk into the white house. it was literally the people's house. you could have gone there. anyway, you talked to a cabdriver who vented about obama traffic. what is that? >> well, that's what the cab -- that's the second time i've heard that in new york on trips where the president happened to be there. and of course no president in office -- i mean, it was george w. bush before him, it's not their fault that this is going on. yet it -- as you mentioned, there was a time in this country when presidents rode through the cities to meet people in open convertibles. and then president kennedy went to dallas. there was a time when presidents and presidential candidates assumed that you could walk at least interest a place where they are making a speech or the place where they are staying and be relatively safe. and then robert kennedy walked through that kitchen in los angeles. a president would like to be able to talk to people on the sidewalk. but ronald reagan walked out on the wrong day onto the wrong sidewalk. so i think the presidents would love for it not to be this way. and i think the people who would like to meet their presidents and be close to them would like for it not to be this way. and it's neither the people's fault nor the president's fault, but it's not going to get any better. >> no, it's not, unfortunately. thank you, bob greene. you can check out his article at cnn.com/opinion. thank you very much for joining us. all right. taking out al-awlaki. i have trouble with that name. a big win in the war on terror. but was it legal? 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what about due process? >> well, i mean, that is definitely some questions of morality and legality that i think that the american citizens are going to have to check for themselves. i don't think we'll ever see a trial because of this murder. but i think that each individual citizen who really prides themselves on what the constitution stands for has to ask themselves a question, if what the united states did, if what president obama okayed, is it ok in the eyes of law. and for me, it wasn't ok in the eyes of the law. but i'm not going to stand here and say that it shouldn't have been done at the same time. >> will, even nazi war criminals got their day in court. so didn't al-awlaki deserve the right to a fair trial, to be judged by a jury? >> you know, martin, i'm conflicted on this. i think legally, the obama administration was probably in the right here. the constitution does say that no person, no american citizen, will be deprived of life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. without due process. that's the fifth amendment. but the courts, the constitution, and statutes have all imbued the president with broad war making authority, including the ability to execute american citizens in times of war. in the '40s, nazi saboteurs, some of which included american citizens, were captured and fdr executed these guys after a military tribunal but executed them in three weeks. i think here we have more difficult questions to answer about the war on terror because of this assassination. >> such as? quickly, what do you think those are? >> well, if we're going to give the president broad war making powers that include the assassination of american citizens during war, then we need to define what is the war on terror, where is the battlefield, how does someone become a member of the enemy, and what includes fighting. by all accounts, al-awlaki was a propagandan in yemen, and he was met with a drone because of these actions. maybe he went on to become an operational person, but that's the kind of things we find out in trials. i'm having to trust the president on this. >> lz, do you think this sets a very difficult precedent? >> well, you know, i was going to say to will, what was propaganda during world war i and world war ii is totally different than what is considered propaganda now, because of the age of technology. so i do agree that we need to re-assess this war on terror. but we can't underestimate the power of technology and how that is being weaponized now. in my eyes, he may not have been holding a gun, but if you're using technology in the manner in which he was, that to me was a deadly weapon. and i don't think it set a strange precedent. i think it just forces us to look the the world today and how we engage each other today. it's totally different than earlier wartimes. >> martin, if i may, and my only point is here. we have given the president a very broad power to assassinate and execute american citizens. and what we ventured into this power in a very gray area. what is the war, what counts as fighting with the enemy. and my only point is we need to answer these questions, because it's not -- it may sound immature or hypothetical. but when the commerce clause was used to have a daylight to give the federal government power in the 1930s, did we think 50 years later the government would use it to force us to buy a certain product? my point is 50 years from now, the president with such broad authority for national security, are we comfortable to where this can lead. i'm not worried about al-awlaki. i'm worried about the precedent and where this will be in 50 years. >> we have to leave it there. will and lz, like the two of you, i am also conflicted. we'll debate this more. thanks. the cia is defending the strike that took out al-awlaki. director leon panetta says that al-awlaki's actions outway the any qualms about his u.s. citizenship. here is panetta talking with erin burnett. >> this individual was clearly a terrorist. and, yes, he was a citizen. but if you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. and that means that we have the ability to go after those who would threaten to attack the united states and kill americans. there's no question. that the authority and the ability to go after a terrorist is there. >> you can see the rest of erin burnett's exclusive interview with tonight with her new show "out front" premieres at 7:00 p.m. eastern. doctors from the er will testify about how they tried to save jack-o-lantern's life. -- michael jackson's life. but before the trial resumes, you'll hear what a paramedic said about jackson's last moments, next. checking stories across cross country, a boy is in stable condition after a car wreck in philadelphia. here is the twist. he was driving. it's not clear he travelled before crashing. a massachusetts church at the center of a controversy is sold, but parishioners want the vatican to block the deal. the congregation refused to go, and has been holding a vigil there ever since. and an unusual fundraiser at rhode island's airport. check out their fifth annual ms jet pull. teams of 25 took turns trying to move a boeing 727, all 90 tons of it. the event raises money for multiple sclerosis research. emergency room doctors who tried to revive michael jackson will testify in dr. conrad murray's trial this morning. the testimony comes after a paramedic describes conrad murray being frantic at michael jackson's bedside. >> reporter: paramedic richard sennive arrived at michael jackson's home hoping to save a life. he needed to know how long jackson hadn't been breathing, and what if anything he had been taking. >> did you ask dr. murray how long the patient had been in this condition or how long the patient had been down? >> i did ask him that. >> what did dr. murray say in response to that question? >> it just happened right when i called you. >> in your, mind, what did that mean? >> it meant to me this was a patient that somebody we had a really good chance of saving. >> reporter: true, if paramedics had the real story. instead, jackson's personal physician, dr. conrad murray, told half truths. >> what observations specifically did you make that led you to feel as if there was inconsistent information that you had received? >> when i first moved the patient, his skin was very cool to the touch. when we -- i took a first glance at him, his eyes were open. they were dry. and his pupils were dilated. when i hooked up the ekg machine, it was flat line. >> reporter: no heartbeat, and skin cool to the touch, told paramedics more than just the five minutes it took them to arrive had passed. seniff says murray was frantic. >> i asked what his underlying health condition was. he did not respond. i asked again what his underlying health condition was. he did not respond. and then i think it was the third time, he said nothing. nothing. he has nothing. and simply that did not add up to me. >> reporter: here's something else that didn't add up. senneff said that jackson appeared thin, underweight. he also noticed an iv that understa stand in the bedroom. and senneff asked murray what drugs jackson had taken. >> at that point, he said, no, he's not taking anything. and then he followed that up with, i just gave him a little bit of lo razz pam to sleep. >> did you follow up with anything else, or did you give him anything else? >> i asked is there anything else, anything else is this and no, that's it. just a little bit of lorazipam. >> reporter: paramedics would not learn that's not true that, he also gave him propofol, which the coroner says caused his death. >> did dr. murray mention to you having administered propofol t michael jackson? >> no. >> did he mention the word "propofol" to you during the time you were at the location in his presence? >> no, he didn't. >> reporter: the defense tried to ask if that would have made a difference. >> isn't it true that you would have done absolutely nothing different because you could not had dr. murray even mentioned the propofol? >> objection, lack of foundation. calls for speculation. >> sustained. >> reporter: senneff says he saw no change in jackson's condition from the time he got to the scene. at minutes after they arrived, emergency responders wanted to declare michael jackson dead. >> if there's nothing further, we're going to call it here. time the death is 12:57. >> but senneff said murray insisted jackson be transported to the hospital and not declared dead. loading hick in the ambulance he went back inside to find murray in the bedroom. >> describe what you see dr. murray doing? >> he has a bag in hand, and he's picking up items from the floor. >> where's he located when you see him with the bag in his hand picking up items from the floor? >> near the nightstand. >> on the far side of the bed? >> olt far side of the bed. >> the defense warned against jumping to conclusions. >> did you see what dr. murray was, in fact, picking up? >> i did not. >> okay. isn't it true he was picking up his wallet and glass science. >> i don't know, sir. the bed was blocking right where his hands were. >> jackson was transported to the hospital with dr. conrad murray in the ambulance at his side. he was pronounced dead upon arrival. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles. and testimony in the trial of dr. conrad murray returns two hours now. turn to hln for expert coverage throughout the day. the detroit lions and the the san francisco 49ers have huge comebacks. i will be reading the sports in seven minutes. roll those dvrs. all right. stories making news later today. president obama meets with his cabinet a little over an hour from now. president george w. bush marks progress on his presidential library in dallas. reporters will take a hard hat tour before the president speaks. 3:00 p.m. eastern, the man accused the plotting the attacks on the pentagon and u.s. capitol has a detention hearing. we're following lots of developments in the news of next hour. let's check in with paula newton. >> time in front of the italian prison where amanda knox waits for that crucial ruling that will decide where she spends the rest of her life. coming up next. i'm ted rollins as the criminal courts building in downtown los angeles. an emergency room physician will be on the stand when testimony resumes in the dr. conrad murray trial. we'll have a preview coming up at the top of the hour. i'm allison kosik at the new york stock exchange. it's not slowing thim down. 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>> reporter: well, she was just visited by an italian parliamentian. he tells us she's with the prison chaplain in the chapel and singing hymns and playing songs. she remains confident and said to him directly i expect to be flying home tonight. you know, earlier, martin, she gave a passionate plea in front of a jury. she at first broke dpoun and composed her and said okay and got on with it. in speaking to her defense for several months, they made it clear to her that, look, a weak point of prosecution is motive. you must prove to this jury you had no motive. i want you to hear from amanda knox now in her own words. >> translator: i am the same person i was four years ago. exactly the same person. the only thing that changed now from four years ago is my suffering. in four years i've lost my friend friends and the most terrible and unexplainable way. >> reporter: she made it seem as if she, too, in fact, missed meredith and wanted justice for her. but martin, she said justice will not be served by me paying for my entire life for something i did not do. martin. >> paula newton outside the prison where amanda knox is now awaiting the verdict. thank you very much. let's go to another major court case. we're talking about the trial of michael jackson's doctor, conrad murray. emergency room doctors who tried to revive jackson are expected to testify today. let's go to ted rollins in los angeles. ted, tell us what more is also waiting ahead in this trial. >> reporter: well, first, as you mentioned, we hear from dr. rachelle cooper, martin. she was on the stand on friday, and jurors didn't get much out of her except she was working and they had her vc and other particulars. today she will likely testify that she asked michael jackson's doctor, dr. conrad murray what have you given michael jackson? what drugs are in his system? and she will testify that he never mentioned propofol. a big point that the prosecution hammered home with the emts last week. they'll continue to do it today as well with the emergency room personnel at ucla. >> ted, i'm just curious now. this case, after one week, when does the prosecution figure it will be done making its point? >> reporter: well, the judge has told the jury to be prepared to serve through the month of october saying that october 28th was the time that he foresaw this ending. most courtroom observers will tell you things are moving quickly. the judge is pushing it, and he's not taking any extra breaks. they didn't take a court holiday last week as thought, so depending on how the pace of it goes, i think it won't be as long. for sure this entire week will be consumed with prosecution witnesses and likely into most of next week as well. >> all right, ted rollins following things out there in los angeles for us. we'll continue to stay in touch with that trial through you. thank you. and testimony as you just heard will continue in this case. you can turn to our sister network, hln, for expert coverage throughout the day. occupy wall street protestors aren't backing down after a weekend face-off with police. 700 people were arrested during a demonstration on the brooklyn bridge saturday. now organizers say the demonstration is spreading across the country. alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange. this protest now in its third week, right? >> reporter: exactly, martin. they're going strong and almost empowered after the weekend here in new york. you talked about the protests growing. they are across the country. you see them in new york, vermont, l.a., seattle. yeah, they are definitely getting their message out across the country. at this point they're getting their media message outs more about their arrests for what happened over the weekend when hundreds of protestors marched over the brooklyn bridge. hundreds were either arrested or ticketed for walking on the roadway. they're denouncing everything from corporate greed to high gas prices, they're calling for a four-day work week. you name it, their grieveness list is a mile long. they still have a lot of star power behind them. when i was out there with the protestors close here to where i am right now at the new york stock exchange in the financial district, we saw suzanne sarandon out there and russell simmons is lending his advice to help these protestors. even alec baldwin took to twitter over the weekend sending encouraging messages and pictures about the protests. you know what they have yet to actually do? a sit-in on wall street. what's happening here around the new york stock exchange, we have barricades keeping everything from getting close to the exchange. they're getting the media attention they're yearning for, especially something bizarre. susan candiotti covered the protest over the the weekend. for some reason someone threw a dog in the air across the live shot. pretty strange. i don't understand what the point of that was, martin. >> i'm not clear what that message is. maybe it's part of that complicated topic of what they're trying to push. we'll see. can i ask you, how are you markets? >> reporter: the markets are holding they are own. we are lower. the dow, nasdaq and s&p are lower right now. these worries about greece defaulting are heating up, but the markets are taking it on the xhin at least for the moment. martin. >> animal rights activists won't be happy about the dog thing. >> reporter: i was thinking the same thing. >> you are right. thank you so much for that. now to politics. texas governor rick perry at the center of a controversy or controversy as my mother would say over the name of a texas hunting camp once leased by him and his family. it was a name that contained the n word. according to the "washington post" a rocket at the camp entrance was painted with the name in big letters. the campaign spokesman says perry's father painted over the rock soon after they began using the property in the 1980s. paul steinhaeuser joins us. there's a lot of fallout over this one, paul? >> reporter: definitely in the harsh glare of the national campaign spotlight because of this story. the washington post story says even though the rock was painted out, "the washington post" story says people have seen the name on the rock as recently as a few years ago, martin. what was so telling is how quick the perry campaign reacted to this. i reached out to them early yesterday morning, and they had a statement out in a few minutes on a sunday morning. very quick for them, and that statement said this, martin. a number of claims made in the story are incorrect, inconsistent and anonymous, including the implication that rick perry brought groups to the lease whether the word on the rock is still visible. one consistent fact is the word on the rock was painted over and obscured many years ago. herman cain, a fellow republican also running for the nomination who is african-american was on the sunday talk shows yesterday. he was asked about the story. here's what he said. >> my reaction is that's just very ins ensitive, there isn't more vile word. for him to leave it there as long as he did before they finally painted over it is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country. >> reporter: again, in a sign of how serious the perry campaign is taking this, they put out reaction a few minutes later. they said they agreed the word was insensitive but it was painted over on that rock. will any other republican campaigns speak out here and take on rick perry over the incident, or will it stay where it is and what will rick perry say himself on this? it this story is it far from over. >> for perry it's one misstep after another. with all of these problems, could it mean that chris christie might change his mind and jump in? >> reporter: the latest chorus of calls for the new jersey governor started two weeks ago after perry stumbled. this may accelerate those calls whachl do we know? not a lot other than we believe christie is thinking about it and is talking with his family. he said no to such calls, but has maybe changed his mind and his advisers that worked for the giuliani campaign are trying to figure out if there's time to do. this whether they can start up a campaign and do the fund-raising and get teams in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina who may move up a month on the calendar. >> thanks very much for that. coming up, captain harry wales swoops into the u.s. the calendar says early october but some people in one state are already seeing snow on the ground. we'll tell you where, next. [ female announcer ] in the grip of arthritis, back, or back joint pain? aspercreme breaks the grip, with maximum-strength medicine and no embarrassing odor. break the grip of pain with aspercreme. it tee where the kercher family will continue to talk to the media this hour. we'll bring that to you live whether it happens. again, that is the family of meredith kercher. she is the young woman killed in italy, for which amanda knox is on trial, her appeal. moving on. checking stories now cross country. a rocky night in the skies around boston. as many as 18 people were injured when two different flights experienced extreme turbulence. 11 was on board a sflit from charlotte to munich. >> i saw the plane go down, down, down. i said, oh, my god. >> it was so scary. i thought, my god, this could be it. it didn't last that long. it was quite a surprise. in new orleans now police are searching for the driver of this pickup truck. it slammed right through the main door of the district attorney's office. the driver ran off. police are calling it a hit and run, but they're unsure of what his motive was. people in phillipsburgphill pennsylvania woke up to the first snowflakes of the season. up to one inch of snow was reported. snow in early october is rare, but it's not unheard of. now to the royals. prince harry is deploying to the desert this week for military duty, but it's not the desert you think, not afghanistan. it is arizona. max foster is here to explain. max. >> reporter: martin, it doesn't just look like afghanistan by accident. prince harry has already served on foot in afghanistan back in 2008, and he could well return after he's qualified to fly apache helicopters. he's going to arizona to train in them in that landscape that does sort of mimic afghanistan. he's there for a couple of months. we're not expecting media access to him while he's there. work, work, work we're told by the palace and military. he'll spent some time in california as part of the training. it will done by the end of the year. then they could make some decisions about redeploying him. people expect him to be redeployed to afghanistan, although they're not confirming when that might be. it will probably be next year. he's certainly keen to go. >> there's no question why they would keep that secret. they know how much he might be targeted. max, you got something in the mail i believe you could share with us. >> reporter: thanks for asking, martin. goit it in the mail today. an invitation of the mast ers of the household of buckingham palace. he's been commanded by the queen to invite me to a reception. this is about the diamond jubilee. this time next year the queen marks her 60th year on the throne. the only other queen to have done that is queen victoria. it's a huge event next year. lots of buildup to that and lots of celebrations next year. i'll have details of that after this event. november 28th. we'll talk about it again. >> i'm sure wome will. i haven't had time to look in my mailbox yet. coming up, hollywood celebs have joined those protesting against wall street. we'll tell you who is showing their support after this break. plus, the evolution of our mobile society. cell phones, smartphones, they go from convenient to crucial to some say a pain in the behind. it's great to be so connected, but is there a downside? we'll have an in-depth discussion coming up. masseuse who cuddle up with your soreness and give out polar bear hugs. technology. [ male announcer ] new bengay cold therapy. the same technology used by physical therapists. go to bengay.com for a $3 coupon. we've been telling you about. it's coming to us from perugia, italy. as amanda knox awaits her fate after pleading for her life this morning at her appeal, this is the family of meredith kercher, and, of course, she's the victim in this case. many have complained that her -- that her loss, their loss has been overlooked in all of this. so we are anticipating to hear the family speak. right now it's in italian, so there's not much point bringing it to you. of course, they are english, so we anticipate that eventually this conversation is going to resume again in english. among those who are expected to participate would be arlene kercher, who is -- and john. those are the parents, mother and father of meredith. approximate a and also a sister is said to be there as well. it is a chance for the family to speak out. it was a compelling day in court because amanda knox got up and made an emotional plea, essentially pleading for her life now. it's not that she faces death but has approximate been convicted of a stiff prison sentence and could face more or she could go free. there's a consensus by the media in italy that, in fact, amanda knox will go free, which will be greatly distressing to the kercher family, because something awful happened to their family and they believe they know who is responsible. so, again, this is the news conference that we're monitoring now, and, of course, it's got a great deal of media attention. we're just waiting and watching like you to see who will speak first and exactly what they have to say inside of a rather dimly-lit room. again, because this is happening, of course, in italy, the opening statements here are being made in italian, and until we get to something that is closer to english, you probably wouldn't be most of our viewers' time. again, the importance of this is the fact that the kerchers have pretty much felt that their daughter has been overlooked, and, of course, she is the victim. she's the reason this whole proceeding is taking place. amanda knox was found guilty after her trial originally four years ago. we're talking all the way back to 2009. this appeal, though, has been based on primarily new dna evidence or a look again at the dna evidence. amanda knox was in court this morning, and i'm wondering, while we wait, can we replay any of the sound of when she was speaking and making that very emotional appeal to her jury this morning? any chance we could hear that? all right. we'll try to find that sound. in the meantime we'll continue to keep an eye here on this news conference. let's bring it -- here is amanda knox as she spoke before the court this morning in italian through translation. >> translator: i am the same person that i was four years ago. exactly the same person. the only thing that has prejudiced me now from four years ago is my suffering. in four years i've lost my friends in the most terrible and unexplainable way. >> that was amanda knox as she made an impassioned appeal to the court this morning. now as we await a verdict, we are also waiting on this news conference, which is the family of mare did it kercher. she is the victim in this particular case, so we will be monitoring this. as soon as we have any further talking in english. oh, okay. we're going to stick with this at least for the time being. going back to this particular trial, it has captured both the media of two continents and here in the united states. and also in europe. and again, it's still in italian. when it changes, we'll come back. in the meantime, let's move on. all right. these days being connected is just about expected from ceos to school kids. everybody is packing the cell phones, smartphones, tablets, readers, you name it, and living a lot of life on the small screens. technology is great, but the real question here is are we overdoing it? this week we go in depth on mour mobile society, and paul gillen focuses now on social marketing and he joins us from newton, massachusetts. good morning. thanks for being with us. >> good morning, martin. >> have you silenced your cell phone? >> i have indeed. >> yes. that's the first thing you have to think of. >> i've had enough disaster. >> this is the whole thing about how connected we are. this is an issue that we feel so passionately in today's modern age. are we just too connected? >> well, we certainly can overdo it. there is an element of privacy that we can control, of course. we can choose to share our location. most of these devices, new smartphone devices are location aware. we can choose to share or not share that information. i would argue that the connection is largely a good thing because we have the wherewithal to share our experiences and observations immediately with people who care about them. >> well, but the other problem is that we bring our work home. how many times do those of us who go home pick up the phone and look at the latest e-mails or latest information coming from bosses or workplace. there's no letup then. it used to be when you were done at 5:00, and i realize this is the ozzy and harriet days, that was the end of work. you went home and focused on family or your private life. >> i think it's been about 15 years. >> now i'm going to stop you before you can answer that. i'm sorry, paul. we're going back to the news conference in perugia, italy where the family of meredith kercher is now beginning their press conference. >> translator: in case of acquittal -- don't answer any questions about any thing. we'll talk about that tomorrow. tomorrow depending on the verdict, then you will ask them what they think. in the last few months the idea of italian justice -- >> well, i think it's quite good because they proceed in the same way as they do everywhere in the world. they look for the evidence. they test scientifically, forensically. i think what is good is in the previous trial the judge actually issued a 400-page document, which kind of detailed how they got to that result, what their thinking was, why they got there. in england you don't have that. the sfeentence is given, and that's it. you don't know why sometimes. i think that's good. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> what was it that bothers you most? what will you remember through all this, and will you be able to forgive? >> without a final ending to everything, it would be very difficult to forgive anything at this stage. i think what everyone needs to remember is what my mom talked about earlier, is the brutality of what actually happened that night. everything that meredith must have felt that night, everything she went through. the fear and the terror and not knowing why. she didn't deserve that. no one deserves that. but she'd been here for two months, and, you know, she loved this place. it's a beautiful city. even being here now, it's nice to be here, but it's very difficult to understand what happened that night without knowing the truth, and that's what we need to find. >> bbc. >> and that was stephanie kercher. that is the sister of mare did it kercher there. you're watching a news conference out of perugia, italy. it's from the family of meredith kercher. she's the victim in the amanda knox appeal waiting right now. as we await a verdict, the family chose this time to speak to the media. there are a lot of translations issues that go back and forth from english and italian from a mixed media. president obama calls lady gaga a little intimidating. is there anyone else who the president should be losing sleep over? our political buzz panel weighs in just ahead. ith chantix. knowing that i could smoke during the first week was really important to me. 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. taking a look now at our top stories. the second week of testimony in the involuntary manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray starts this morning. jurors will hear from two emergency room doctors who tried to revive michael jackson. defense secretary leon panetta is in the middle east. he's urging israeli and palestinian leaders to restart peace talks. panetta says israel must improve its relationship with other countries in the region. american bruce boetler is sharing the nobel prize in medicine. they were honored for their discovers on how the immune system works. political buzz is your rapid fire look at the best political topics of the day. three questions and 30 seconds on the clock. playing today is maria cardona, se pete dom anyone and will cain. first question. rick perry stumbling, falling down a lot on the campaign trail. his latest controversy over a sign at a texas hunting camp he and his family used to lease. "the washington post" says it contained the n word. how does perry correct? will. >> on this particular issue, i don't know he can. i'm going to be careful and try my best to be responsible on the topic. that "washington post" story was full of anonymous sources and speculation. for a bunch of pundits to speculate about it, i don't know that's very appropriate. i think at this point rick perry has some questions to answer on this topic. beyond that, i don't know if they're being responsible by spouting out. >> it's out there, maria, so what do you do? >> it's very tough. i agree with will. i don't know that he can course correct it at it noint. taken alone, this is an incredibly serious issue for any candidate at any time. but the fact of the matter is is that now becomes a cumulative effect. it's this on top of his very weak debate performances and on top of the hpv and immigration issue, on top of his threatening the life of ben bernanke. it's one thing after the other, and i think what voters start to do is build a gut feeling about him that is not good for him right now. >> pete, is it the end of the road for perry? >> i don't think so, martin. i mean, i can't hear republicans that we're going to support him across the country, i can't hear them right now going, this is it. this is the final straw. i can't believe that word was in connection with rick perry. i just -- all the sexual innuendo that refers to that word head, i'm so offended by it. >> let's move on. this one t"the new york times" says chris christie's people are looking to see if they can move fast enough to set up in iowa and new hampshire. is it too late? maria, what do you say? >> in politics anything can happen. from a timing standpoint, it is too late. he has not built any organization in any of the states that are important. more importantly he has already said that he does not feel in hi heart that he's ready to be president. he should take his own advice. if he actually jumps in now, he will be seen as the opportunist that he said isn't a run for president. elhave written the ads that his opponents will use against him. >> what do you think? >> regarding how much time he has, he hassed to two things. he needs name recognition. in today's media society, i don't think he has a problem with that. he needs to get on the ballot. parnl they can do that. fourth, he needs a political campaign structure in place. that's the question. can he do that in iowa and south carolina and new hampshire with a little over 90 days to go? we'll see. >> pete, what do you think? >> not a chance. i mean, martin, you and everybody at cnn should have these videos could yued up. he said so many times his heart isn't in it. he doesn't want to run, and we're going to be able to play those videos all day, not the to mention he looks like a moderate democrat on so many issues outside of fiscal conservatism like gun control, he believes in science and he thinks muslims are okay. there's all kinds of views he has that don't fly with the fringe right that has become the consistent middle with all of these mainstream candidates that we saw on these debate stages. >> you just beat the buzzer. now 20 seconds apiece. listen to what president obama told the human rights campaign over the weekend. >> she was wearing 16-inch heels. she was 8 feet tall. it was a little intimidating. >> talking about lady gaga, in case you had any question. who, if anyone, should president obama really be intimidated by in the lead-up to the november of 2012? will? >> anthony kennedy. he's the swing vote on the supreme court, and now the obama administration has asked the supreme court to review the constitutionality of bahama care. this is not going to play out well. three, four months before an election you don't want people to think you were thinking about this and not the economy. a loss at the supreme court level that anthony kennedy is the one to deliver, if it is delivered, that would be bad. >> very insightful. all right. maria. >> well, apparently at this point, martin, the only person he needs to be afraid of is generic republican. right now that's the only person beating him. once you put a name into that generic republicans of the candidates currently running, nobody beats him. this is why you have people begging chris christie to come in to save the gop sch is a field that can't beat president obama. >> pete, take it away. >> will had a great answer. i think president obama should be worried about president obama from 2008. he's lost so much from his base, and there's going to be no votes and protest votes and maybe mitt romney will come out on ten-inch stilts or heels to pretend he's lady gaga since president obama was intimidated by that. that should play out. >> thanks to all three of you. we have lovely parting prizes. thank you. coming up, the lockerbie bomber speaks out from his sick bed. he said his role in the attack on pan am 103 greatly exaggerated, and he said the truth will come out soon. we'll see it all next. a lot of times, things are right underneath our feet, and all we need to do is change the way we're thinking about them. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years, providing energy security and economic growth all across this country. it just takes somebody having the idea, and that's where the discovery comes from. every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $7.8 billion to small businesses across the country so far this year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. checking stories across the country. a 9-year-old boy is in critical but stable condition after a bad car wreck in philadelphia. the twist here? he was driving. seems that he took his parents' car out for a joyride. it's not clear how far he traveled before the accident. a massachusetts church at the center of a controversy has been sold, but catholic parishioners want the vatican to block the deal. officially st. jeremiah's was closed in 2005. the congregation refused to go. they've been holding a vigil there ever since. check this out. a fund-raiser with some muscle in rhode island. check out the fifth annual jet pull at the state's airport. teams of 25 took turns trying to move a boeing 727, all 90 tons of it. it raises money for multiple sclerosis research. this just in. south carolina's republican presidential primary will be held on january 21st of next year. that is according to two gop sources, and it's expected to be officially announced later this morning. the updated calendar is likely to push the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary even earlier into january. stay tuned for all your political news. meanwhile, oversees the lockerbie bomber says his role in the attack has been greatly exaggerated. 270 people died in that bombing. he was the only one convicted. now he tells reuters that the truth will come out hopefully in the future. nic robertson is live in london to help us explain or understand. what more can you tell us about this interview? >> reporter: well, he seems to be slightly better than he was when i saw him about a month ago when i was allowed into his house. his family showed me him lying on his bed. he was barely moving. they told me he was slipping in and out of consciousness and wasn't getting his proper medication. he seems to have made something of a recovery, but he still says he may only have days, months left to live, and he wants to live out the rest of his life in his house. what is interesting, when he says that his role in the lockerbie bombing was grossly overplayed and that the truth will come out is he's not offering what that truth will be. he said other people are working on that, and hopefully it will come out. he's not telling us anything new here, but if he's innocent this is the man who must have those details, who must have those facts, at least some knowledge of who else in the libyan regime should have been responsible. he took the fall. if he's not guilty, who else? he's not saying that up until now, martin. >> who is he trying to speak out to and influence here? >> reporter: he's trying to influence international opinion. obviously, there's a move to bring him to the united states to face questioning in the united states. a scottish justice system says it's happy for him to remain in libya. the national transitional council in libya itself, the interim government says its happy for him to remain in libya. it seems to be this is a very basic and fundamental appeal to get people off of his back in his eyes and to allow him as he and his family keep saying to finish off his days at home in peace. it seems to be nothing more than that at this stage. as we see him lying in bed, sounding frail, it's appealing to people's emotion rather than their intellect. there are still questions, and he's not answering them yet, martin. >> in this case robertson in london. thank you. the u.s. is defending its decision to kill american born radical cleric. the defense secretary says his actions outweighed any qualms about his american citizenship. here's panetta talking to erin burnett. >> this individual was clearly a terrorist, and yes, he was a citizen. if you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. that means that we have the ability to go after those who would threaten to attack the united states and kill americans. there's no question that the authority and the ability to go after a terrorist is there. >> and you can see the rest of erin burnett's exclusive interview with leon panetta tonight when her new show "out front" premieres at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. ♪ sent her back to college for her sophomore year ♪ ♪ co-signed her credit card -- "buy books, not beer!" ♪ but the second that she shut the door ♪ ♪ girl started blowing up their credit score ♪ ♪ she bought a pizza party for her whole dorm floor ♪ ♪ hundred pounds of makeup at the makeup store ♪ ♪ and a ticket down to spring break in mexico ♪ ♪ but her folks didn't know 'cause her folks didn't go ♪ ♪ to free-credit-score-dot-com hard times for daddy and mom. ♪ offer applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.com™. if you have painful, swollen joints, i've been in your shoes. one day i'm on p of the world... the next i'm saying... i have this thing called psoriatic arthritis. i had some intense pain. it progressively got worse. my rheumatologist told me about enbrel. i'm surprised how quickly my symptoms have been managed. 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