he was a graduate assistant. he was in the locker room in the lasch building where he said he saw sandusky raping a child. how does sandusky's lawyer respond to a seemingly unshakable account? our jason carroll asked him directly. his answers, they may shock you. jason joins us in a moment, so will an attorney for one of the victims. a lot happening tonight, including the removal of joe paterno's name from the big ten championship trophy. the ceo of sandusky's second mile charity was replaced today. also revelations that the judge who freed sandusky on bail without requiring him to put up a penny in bail despite 40 sex abuse charges against him was herself a second mile member. and penn state's acting president posting a set of promises on the university website today including this -- quote, we will revisit all standards, policies and programs to ensure they meet not only the law but penn state's standard. he also promised transparency and said, quote, never again should anyone at penn state feel scared to do the right thing. but keeping them honest, that was already the image that penn state was putting out to the world back when coach sandusky was admittedly showering with children on campus and allegely raping one of them. there are still a lot of unanswered questions tonight. still things that don't quite add up. things like how back in 1998 when the first allegations against sandusky sparked four agencies both on and off campus to investigate, how was it possible that sandusky's bosses can say they knew nothing about it? head coach joe paterno, sandusky's mentor, close friend, who was grooming him as a potential successor, he claims the first he heard of the 1998 incident was in 2004 -- excuse me, 2002, four years later. it is even remotely credible that serious allegations are made against his right-hand man, that campus police are involved, that local police are involved, that the district attorney knows, child welfare knows, and not a single one of them utters a peep to joe paterno? is it believable that no one gives him a heads-up about a mortal threat to his very program, to his status as king of state college? to briefly recap the 1998 allegation involves a boy the grand jury pronouncement calls victim 6, 11 years old at the time. according to the report, coach sandusky took him to a campus shower, lath erd him up with soap and bear hugged the boy. the mother went to police after she noticed his hair was wet after a visit with sandusky. ronald schreffler told the grand jury that he and a detective got permission to eavesdrop on two conversations between coach sandusky and the mom in which sandusky told her, quote, i was wrong and i wish i were dead. so you have now got two police forces involved and an admission of wrongdoing, an admission of showering. also involved the county d.a. who declined to bring charges. the child welfare investigator told the grand jury that san duvgy admitted what he did was wrong. again, this was 1998. coach sandusky was joe paterno's right-hand man. he's been accused of a serious crime. he reportedly admits wrongdoing, yet nothing further happens. and his boss, joe paterno, says he was never notified? we wanted to know was there a university procedure that should have been followed at the time specifying who should be told and when in these circumstances? if so, was that protocol ignored? is there a reason to think he's being less than truthful about not knowing? we sent a producer on campus in search of answers. detective schreffler refuse to talk about sandusky has a preliminary hearing. the child welfare investigator won't go on camera. when we asked lisa powers about it last week, she said, quote, i don't have an answer to that question. she told us it's my understanding that there is no formal protocol in place, but these issues are handled on a case by case basis with consideration given to the alleged crime. that's no help in knowing what joe paterno or other staff members knew. it comes from a recent report in "the new york times," the pape citing prosecutors, they say that university counsel a guy named wendell courtney knew of the 1998 allege incident, this according to the "times," prosecutors saying, quote, he, meaning courtney, he believed that penn state's athletic director tim curley knew of the allegation and the investigation but was unsure whether other people in senior positions at the university knew of the episode. now, curley was joe paterno's boss. he's now facing charges of lying to the grand jury what he had been told about jerry sandusky. joining us is jason carroll. as we know sandusky's facing 40 counts, ugly allegations here. what's he saying in his defense? >> as you know, anderson, i spoke to sandusky's attorney for about an hour today. sandusky tells his attorney, that, yes, he admits to showering with young boys and, yes, he regrets it, but he did not sexually assault anyone. do you believe in his innocence? >> i do, i do. jerry sandusky is a big overgrown kid. he's a jock. for anybody that's ever played sports, you get showers offer work out. i mean, when people hear he got showers with kids, oh, my goodness, you know? like he got showers with kids. that makes him guilty, right? obviously anybody that gets a shower with a kid who is an adult has to be guilty of something. but the bottom line is jocks do that. they kid around, they horse around. and in fact, what jerry says in regard to the one allegation involving what the assistant coach or the grad student said he saw, he said, we were horsing around. he said we weren't engaged in sexual activity. >> i want to wait before we go to that because that's different. but even in just talking about the showering, a lot of people have trouble with the idea of a man showering with -- showering with a young boy. what are your thoughts on that? >> i mean, i wouldn't do it. i'm sure you wouldn't do it. >> i would not. >> i would feel uncomfortable doing it, but jerry did that. but, but, but that's a far different thing than saying he got showers with kids than saying that he committed these other acts which the prosecution has alleged he did. i mean, what's going to come out in this case is that jerry did get showers with kids. what i think happened, what i'm being told happened is that jerry was in the shower with this kid, the kid was messing around having a good time. you had mcqueary come in and see that, he felt uncomfortable, which is exactly what curley and schultz are saying that it was reported to them by mcqueary that he saw sandusky in a shower with a kid and he felt uncomfortable. >> can we go back to the 1998 incident, if we can go back to that incident in 1998, and that is when, allegedly, according to the grand jury, you know, report, jerry sandusky admitted to showering with that young boy in that incident and apologized for it and said, that i wish i were dead. and i think when you look at that, the presumption is there that something happened more than just showering. >> we have always disputed -- when i say we, jerry, because i wasn't involved in that case with him. but jury has always disputed that he made that comment that he wished he were dead. that's number one. number two, the apology was for simply getting a shower with the boy. do you know that young boy who is now a young man never, ever said that jerry did anything sexual with him. the apology was to the boy's mother for getting a shower with him. not because he did anything sexual. and in fact, not only did he have children and youth services involved in that investigation in pennsylvania, children and youth services in every county investigates every allegation of child abuse. not only did centre county children youth services folks investigate that case, the penn state police investigated that case. it was investigated by one of their most respected and distinguished investigators who has since retired, ron tressher. and not only did he investigate it, but they turned it over to the district attorney who went missing. but the district attorney at the time, mr. gricar, was a totally nonpolitical person. he didn't go to penn state. he was a prosecutor from cleveland. he was a career prosecutor who couldn't care less who you were and certainly couldn't care whether or not you were associated with penn state or penn state football. he investigated that case and decided it was not a prosecutable case. so they're taking that in the context, well, he did these other things. you know, it's the old saying if you throw enough mud on the wall that some of it's going to stick. and from my view, what the attorney general's office has done here is they've thrown everything they could throw up against the wall, and they're saying, look, all these accusations, some of them have to be true. when you take it apart, they don't even have victims in several of their cases. we're looking for those victims. and we may have some surprises for people. >> let's talk about that presentment. there are many ugly, serious allegations in that 23-page presentment by the grand jury. let's go over some of that step by step, what you can talk about. where do you see inconsistencies in these allegations? >> well, when you look at it, when you take it apart complaint by complaint, person by person, because there are allegedly eight supposed victims, and you look at what the allegations are, we have answers for each one of those. now, in two or three, even perhaps four of those, i mean, the allegation is that jerry put his hand on a boy's knee at some point, in a car, got a shower with him and gave him a bear hug. all which i might add don't involve criminal activity even if believed. and two of the cases, two of the more serious allegations, they don't even have victims. they don't even have people who are saying that this is what happened. they have other people who are saying they saw something, but they don't have actual people who said this is what jerry did to me. we're working with finding those people, and when the time comes and if we're able to do that, we think this whole case will change dramatically. >> why do you think these people would be making these allegations? >> well, you know, you don't like to -- other than the fact that they might be true, which obviously is a possibility. i mean, none of us were there. but you know, you have the money issue. you have the -- and now what's happening is really sad because if there are more people coming out because they've heard about penn state being sued and obviously the university having big bucks, we may never know who's real, who's not or we may never know what allegations were basically fabricated because people are looking for some money. we may never have the answers to those questions. but in terms of why people would do this? it's their time in the limelight. it's their time to have people pay attention to them. who knows? why do people make allegations that aren't true? you run into it, i run into it. we see it all the time in court proceedings where people have alleged something happen that didn't happen. >> tell me about what jerry is saying to you about everything going on -- >> he's destroyed. people are throwing bricks through his windows at home. i have calls coming in from the police from the township where he lives saying how do we protect him and his wife. i suggested that they basically get away for a while, but his response was where do i go? i've been all over the news. people no matter where i go are going to recognize me. so where does he go? he's distraught. he's absolutely devastated by what's happened to joe paterno. think about a person's career, the history that joe paterno's had not only at penn state but as a national figure. and it's all gone down the tubes in less than a week. his legacy now will be this scandal. and the tragedy here is either way you go, if jerry did these horrible things, it's tragic that he's victimized these kids. but if he didn't do them, it's tragic because he's ruined forever the reputation of just an outstanding person not only in penn state history but nationally in joe paterno who has been brought down by this. and he's beside himself. and i worry for his well-being. i worry for his health. you know, he's 67. he's not a young man. i'm very concerned about his well-being. >> jason, fascinating to hear the early rumblings of what the defense strategy may be. i think it's going to raise a lot of eyebrows. people when they hear his attorney saying that's what jocks do, i think there are a lot of jocks out there who never showered with a child nor done it late at night when no one else is around. i guess did the attorney have an argument for why the then-graduate assistant, mcqueary, would speak out against sandusky? because he testified to the grand jury saying that he witnessed, i mean, a rape by sandusky of this boy that appeared to be about 10 or 11? >> right. and that would be mike mcqueary. you know, when i asked him about that, anderson, he basically told me that, look, that's the $64,000 question. he says he's looking for the opportunity to interview mcqueary. he's hoping to do that very soon. but he says ultimately what he's hoping to do is find victim number 2. that is how the victim, that 10-year-old or 11-year-old boy is identified in the grand jury report, he's hoping to find that person as well, talk to him about what happened that particular night. but right now, he's calling that the $64,000 question, anderson. >> jason, i appreciate the reporting. thanks. i want to bring in jeffrey toob toobin, sunny hostin, and defense attorney mark geragos. jeff, when you hear the attorney for this man saying that's what jocks do, is he doing his client any favors? >> i don't think that interview is very helpful, especially now. if the day comes when there is a trial and you have to explain each incident away, it is better to say they took a shower together than to admit that sex took place in the shower. but when you are admitting showering with a 10-year-old, you got a big problem already. and i think that just indicates the depth of the problem that he has in this case. >> do you agree with that, sunny? >> yes. it's just remarkable to me what we just heard. and i try a lot of these child sex cases, and the bottom line is this is classic. this is a classic fact pattern. i think, jeff, you'll agree with me that these predators oftentimes groom children. so it starts with the touching, i starts with the hand on the knee and it typically progresses. i've tried cases where pedophiles have showered with children. it is just so classic to me. i think if you speak to anyone that's tried these types of cases and anyone that's an expert in this area, they will tell you that it's just such a classic fact pattern for him to admit that he showered with these children and horsed around and confessed to touching them. i, in my mind, that's already misdemeanor child sex abuse. i disagree when the attorney says nothing criminal happened here. that in and of itself is criminal. i'm flabbergasted. >> mark, i know the job of the defense attorney to defend his or her client, come up with explanati explanations. what do you make of this attorney's excuse for sandusky showering with young boys that this is just what jocks do and this is what people do after they work out? >> well, remember some of the things that he said what we've seen in the last nine days. i, as much as anybody else, enjoy a good old-fashioned media lynching. that's exactly what we've had here. is there anybody that gives a presumption of innocence at this point? no. i think that you've seen a kind of a piling on of a degree that's almost unprecedented. i think he's absolutely correct when he talks about look what's happened to paterno in the span of nine days. so i don't know what you would expect him to do at this point other than to try to stop some of the hemorrhaging that's been going on around his client. and you know, a lot of this is so reminiscent, to me personally, of what happened when michael jackson was first -- the charges were first brought against him. and do you remember, anderson, all of the talk about sleeping with young boys and everything else, and people saying that in and of itself, to quote your other guest here, that's exactly what they do when they groom people and everything else, this is deja vu, as yogi berra would say, all over again. and he ended up being acquitted. so before we go and we say this is, you know, it's a done deal, so to speak and we condemn them and everything else, i think maybe we step back and take a deep breath for a second. there is a pretty good point that is made there. you had a number of different agencies that investigated this in realtime years ago that didn't file anything. i'm not saying that this guy is not guilty, but at the same time he is entitled to a presumption of innocence. we still live in america. and it's a little disturbing to me kind of the assumption of guilt here because everything that penn state has done, both to the president and everybody on down, has presumed guilt in this case. and i just don't know that that's the american way. >> jeff? >> mark makes a good point about the presumption of innocence, and it's worth remembering back in the '80s, we had a spate of accusations of satanic abuse in day care centers. all of which turned -- >> this is very different. we're talking about eyewitness accounts. >> in mcmartin -- in mcmartin there were 65 people that were complaining. 65 people. >> the point i'm making is when you have an accusation, if you simply say, let's think about the presumption of innocence, that's a legitimate thing for a defense attorney to say. when you start admitting that he's taking showers with boy, you make more trouble than you solve. if he had simply gone and said, this is a media lynching, it's outrageous, i wouldn't blame him a bit. but when he starts explaining the conduct in a way that sounds ouflle incriminating to me, that's a mistake for a defense attorney to make. >> i don't know that i necessarily disagree at all with what jeff's saying. i think the answer to the question when jason asked, what did he tell you is to say i can't talk about it, that's attorney/client and just move on from there. if i'm going to critique -- and i hate to do that to other lawyers -- if i'm going to critique, that's probably a very good point. >> because it is hard for anybody to accept the notion of some, you know, elderly older man showering with a 10-year-old child, soaping him up and then, you know, horse playing naked in the shower. >> and several of them. and admitting to doing it. that in and of itself, as jeff just described, is of concern to so many people. but now we're also calling into question an adult interpretation of what happened. if you want to assume that that behavior is okay -- and it isn't okay. i firmly believe it isn't okay. i think there was criminal activity right then and there. you're talking about mcqueary who also says he witnessed a child being raped. i think when we're talking about presumption of innocence, let's also keep in mind that we have adults and children, adults that have testified in front of the grand jury under penalty of perjury and have again recounted what they've seen. >> but could i ask -- >> quick because we've got to go. >> i was going to say quick i also find it astonishing that somebody like joe paterno was told that somebody witnessed a rape, a child rape and he did nothing other than tell his superiors. so i'm just as incredulous about that. that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. >> it's not clear what joe paterno himself was told by mcqueary. >> exactly. >> we don't know the detail of that. that's a point to point out. jeff, sunny, mark geragos, thank you. a lot of folks talking on twitter about this this, @andersoncooper. we'll hear from the lawyer of an alleged victim of jerry sandusky. his response to what the lawyer for sandusky said. and listen to sandusky himself and what his children's charity meant to him. later raw politics. remember rick perry's brain freeze? 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five years after the alleged shower rape now ring hollow. >> it's been an opportunity -- it's an opportunity for me, you know, to have have been touched by so many great people that volunteered their time and energy and opportunity to see some special young people overcome some challenges in their life and go on to lead a life of excellence. >> well, it's hard to comprehend just how twisted that statement would be if the charges against him are true. if. earlier i spoke with ben andreozzi an attorney representing one of the victims of sandusky and also with the director of the national centers for the victim of crime. ben, we just heard from jerry sandusky's lawyer who maintains his client is innocent and suggests that sandusky was a jock and was kidding around in the shower. and this is what jocks do, they shower together. would your client call what sandusky did kidding around? >> absolutely not. i've got to be honest, it's very disappointing to hear that sort of reaction. i had hoped that we would get a different reaction from his attorney, but i guess he's got a job to do. so from my client's perspective, to answer your question, no, he would not agree with that statement. >> when you hear this attorney saying, well, this is what guys -- what jocks do, what do you think? >> i think it's kind of outrageous that somebody would say something like that. it's a slap in the face to athletes around the country. and i think that what lass been alleged in this is not joking around. >> ben, how is your client doing? i mean, i can't imagine not only what he's been through, but also just seeing the aftermath of it. >> it's been extremely difficult for him he's coming to grips with the sexual abuse itself which is emotional enough. but in combination with that, he's also seeing the complications of coming forward and the impact that coming forward is having on the penn state community. you know, jerry sandusky essentially intertwined some of these children, who are actually victims in this case, into the penn state football community, and in recent weeks we've seen what's happened with the penn state football program, and that has been extremely difficult for my client to watch. >> what do you make of not just obviously what he did but the actions or lack of actions of a whole host of people on the penn state staff? >> well, i think that's exactly what this case highlights, anderson. i think that when institutions don't create a culture where staff and visitors and people working in the institution feel encouraged to come forward when there is any kind of allegation or any suspicion of abuse, that's a real lack of leadership. it's really important for institutions and leaders inside those institutions to create a culture that says, if you see anything that's going on with a child, if you suspect anything that's going on with a child, come forward and tell us. >> ben, at this point, do you thing we know all there is to know about how many alleged victims there may be out there? >> absolutely not. i think in a case like this, what you're seeing is there were a few select victims who had the courage to come forward, and it's my sincere hope that others see that people have mustered up this courage to come forward and it encourages them themselves to say it's okay to step forward and do what's right, which is going to be, i believe, to put mr. sandusky behind bars for the rest of his life. >> ben, and mai, i appreciate you being on. you're extraordinarily busy. please give our best to your client. >> thank you. let's attorney to cory giger from "the altoona mirror" and sports columnist christine brennan as well. when you heard his attorney saying that jocks like to horse around in the shower. what goes through your mind? >> okay. well, guys on a team of the same age might take showers together and might slap towels or what have you, if you're in a locker room, guys on a team, you'll see that. but a man in his mid-50s should never be alone in a shower with a young boy who is 10 or however old this young boy might have been. you have to have standards and protocols in place. unless that kid is your son, there's no way any man of that age should be alone in a shower with a boy that young. >> christine, when you heard sandusky's lawyer saying this, what did you think? >> complete shock, anderson. the same thing that cory just said. this is a 10-year-old boy. this is not the 20-year-old quarterback. of course it sounds like kids were around the penn state football program all the time in the company of jerry sandusky if the allegations are true and the grand jury report is true. so this was, you know, this is something that apparently jerry sandusky was doing quite often. and it's just appalling and alarming. as joe paterno is in charge. he is penn state football. and i think he's ultimately responsible for everything that goes on on his watch and as the venerable coach of that team. so the fact that this is all going on and then that's the excuse? it's appalling. that's really shocking and seems to slap right back at those victims and they get to go through this all over again, unfortunately. >> cory, it is hard to believe that after the allegations with the mom was made and they were investigated by multiple different agencies that joe paterno isn't informed of what is a potentially major threat to his program. >> yeah. it's hard to believe that joe -- i said on your program the other day, there's no reason to believe that joe did not know what was going on with the 1998 allegations. they're so similar in 2002 with another shower involved and another young boy involved. so the similarity of the two is really eerie. and you would thing that thk th would all have learned from the 1998 incident regardless of if there were charges or not. the fact that it happens again four years later, i'll take christine's word, that's just appalling and a complete lack of oversight. >> you don't think this is just the worst scandal in the history of college sports, you think it will be the worst scandal in the history of u.s. sports? >> i do, anderson. i know that's quite a thing to say at this point, but because of the magnitude, because it's penn state, it's joe paterno and this institution -- >> do you think all the coaches are going to go? >> i do. i think there has to be a complete housecleaning at penn state. anyone involved in this, you have to wonder about the board of trustees and other officials in pennsylvania government. i think it's that bad. but yes, there has to be a complete housecleaning in the football program. >> you think anybody on the staff at the time may end up going? >> i do. we don't know exactly what we're going to find out completely. so the legal process will take its course. but i think that penn state has to deal with this before then. the culture, this incredible stunning, awful, revolting culture that apparently has been going on there for years, clean house. start from scratch. >> cory giger, christine brennan, thank you. more fallout from the penn state sex abuse scandal. the first advertiser pulls ads from penn state games. also the violence hasn't stopped in syria. for the first time a leader calls for president assad to step down. t. this is web-based trading, re-visualized. streaming, real-time quotes. earnings analysis. probability analysis: that's what opportunity looks like. it's all visual. intuitive. and it's available free, wherever the web is. this is how trade strategies are built. tradearchitect. only from td ameritrade. welcome to better trade commission free for 60 days when you open an account. isha is back following important stories. >> anderson, for the first time an arab leader is calling for syria's president to resign. jordan's king abdullah urged him to step down as the eight-month crackdown continues. more than 3500 syrians have been killed. a new study finds that radioactive fallout from the disaster at japan's fukushima daiichi power plant is likely to leave farming severely impaired in the province where the plant is located. farming in other provinces in eastern and northern japan is also expected to suffer according to the researchers. as expected, the supreme court has agreed to rule on the constitutionality of the health care reform law that congress passed last year. the law's individual mandate is a key issue for the justices. a ruling is expected in june. anderson, look at this. seaworld really rld, a pilot whale rescued in may after she beached herself has been fitted with a custom brace to straight an deformed spine. she has a condition known as skoaliosis which keeps her from swimming normally. the first time a device of this sort has ever been used on a whale that size. >> that's amazing. >> yeah, it is. veterans day weekend, many americans saluted our troop. justin timberlake escorted a student to the marine corps ball. corporal kelsey desantis. she started the evening in her dress blues but later changed into a count. on his website timorbake called it one of the most moving evenings of his life. she asked him after he encouraged his co-star to accept a similar invitation from a serviceman. >> so justin, you want to call out my girl mila. i'm going to call you out and ask you to come to the marine corps ball with me on november 12th in washington, d.c. if you can't go, all i have to say is cry me a river. >> mila kunis accepted in greenville, north carolina, this coming friday. there you go. also one more shot tonight. army sergeant drew reese of the utah army national guard with me. and that's one of the amazing wounded wardiers and service dogs in an event i hosted last night puppies behind bars program. it was a fund-raiser for them. it was a graduation program. it trains prison inmates to raise puppies to become service dogs for wounded warriors, soldiers and marines with ptsd and other results of serving overseas. it was a great evening. i was proud to be there. >> that's very, very cool. i'm wondering if i send gerard butler a tape, will he come to our christmas party? >> no, probably not. herman cain kind of an amazing moment caught on tape. you'll see it for yourself. you can judge it for yourself. a new poll shows newt gingrich in a virtual tie with front-runner mitt romney. in raw politics tonight an awkward moment for herman cain was caught on tape. the video's gone viral. he was meeting today with the editorial board of the milwaukee wisconsin journal. he was asked about president obama's libyan policy. here's what he said. >> president obama supported the uprising, correct? president obama called for the removal of gadhafi. just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing before i say yes i agree, i know i didn't agree. i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reasons. no, that's a different line. i got to go back and see. i've got all this stuff twirling around in my head. specifically what are you asking me did i agree or not disagree with obama? >> cain eventually said that president obama had not done enough to determine who the opposition was in libya. not the first time cain has struggled on matters of foreign policy. the gaffe came as his popularity fell in a national poll. cain has dropped to third place behind mitt romney and former house speaker newt gingrich. romney's two-point lead is within the poll sampling leader. cain is two points ahead of rick perry. how did cain tie up the race? joining me are ari fleischer and paul begala. paul, i got to start with you on this moment by herman cain. the whole answer goes on for about five minutes. i mean, it is painful to watch. what do you make of it? >> it may not be a full-on brain freeze, but it was at least a slushy, wasn't it. give mr. cain free advice, this is maybe advice that fleischer came up with. when george w. bush was debating al gore, gore knew a lot more about foreign policy than the governor of texas did. you know what he did in the debate? i went back and looked at the transcript. ari, you'll love this. on so many issues bush surprised gore by saying i agree with president clinton on this. yugoslavia, a triumph. he said that clinton was right with rwanda and east timor, which i don't know if he knew anything about, didn't matter. now let me talk about my 9-9-9 plan, it would have been much better. >> ari, you agree with that? >> what i agree is it's very hard to run for the presidency and make it your first time you hold elective office. i said this about herman cain for a while. he's an exciting outsider but he needed to have more strong credentials by having run and won. and it would give him a different approach about how he gets ready for substantive issues. that's really the problem here, anderson. >> take a look at what this new cnn poll found. almost half the country doesn't think he should even be in the race at all, even among republican, almost a third say it's time for him to go. i mean, is this the tip of the iceberg, is this a downward trend now? >> well, downward trend, yes, herman cain has been on a downward trend since the allegations broke against him and he doesn't have a strong enough wall beneath him to propel him forward in case anything like this broke in the public eye. i don't think he has to drop out of politics. people have to get rid of the perception just because you have a bad day or a bad week, you quit. these races are marathon. the strong ones keep going through it. so many on the top have fallen behind and people who were dead are now coming back. nothing says people can't turn things around. that's the test of a campaign. >> paul, people have written off newt gingrich months ago. he's now not just up, his support has almost tripled. is he just the latest anybody but romney candidate? or could this be a start of the real shot at the nomination? >> at least i think it is this abr phenomenon now, anybody but romney. they had their flirtation with donald trump, then michele bachmann. now newt. something there is doesn't love mitt romney. it's three-fourths of the republican party. i don't know why. maybe ari can us. they just don't want to be for him. they're looking for a fresh facep pu think of a guy who is 68 years old and first ran for congress when nixon was president. >> it's also called math. when there are eight candidates in a race and one person has a 25, 28% plurality and the rest or closely divided, it's the way numbers work out. it's interesting in that poll that mitt romney has a three-point lead over barack obama. so i do think at the end of the day as this campaign goes along, the fact that somebody can beat barack obama becomes tremendously important, makes that person even more attractive, but there's still two months to go in this republican race. i don't discount that this is going to continue to be topsy-turvy. only three% in the poll said they strongly support their candidate. there's a lot of room for change in the republican race. it's that volatile. the republican presidential candidate will face off again at the cnn republican national security debate on november 22nd at 8:00 p.m. eastern, just a week from tomorrow live from washington. coming up, more arrests today in the kidnapping of wilson ramos in venezuela. we'll hear what ramos had to say after he was rescued. the latest on the search for a 2-year-old boy missing from outside seattle. what police are saying about the hundreds of tips they're getting. man: my eltrill s king ban this team of guinea pigs to ty bo so to save some y, d inea pig: row...row. they genatectry, wch le me rf t. guinea pig: row...row.took one, 8 months to get the guin: ..row.ow...row. they genatectry, wch le me rf t. lile cbby one to yell row! guineaig: ro's kof strange. guinig: row...row. such a simple word... row. anncr: t an easierayof strange. save. get online. go to geico.com. get a quote. e u 15% or more on car insurance. crime and punishment tonight, the saga of a major league baseball player kidnapped in venezuela. wilson ramos was reunited with his family after being rescued friday in a mountainous area about 60 miles away from where gunmen kidnapped him from his mom's house two days earlier. five new suspects were arrested today. the total number of people detained to 11. according to venezuela's justice ministry. after the rescue, ramos had this to say. >> i want to say thanks, nats fans, for everything, for your support. i'm very happy with my mom. i'm saved now. that was a hard time for me, but i'm very, very happy with my mom right now. you know, i want to say thank you for everything and i see you in spring training. >> cnn international anchor luis carlos velez joins us on the investigation. the chavez regime had released a few details. but it seemed to be suggesting that a colombian man with ties to paramilitary was behind the plot. >> we have not been able to do that. keep in mind this is a country with no free media. no no independent power to investigate what really happened. obviously venezuelans are happy that wilson ramos is home, he's safe. but there are many people who question what really happened here. they say this was just too good, too perfect to be a true rescue operation, anderson. >> that's interesting. venezuela has produced a lot of great professional baseball players over the years including several all-stars. kidnappings have been on the rise in venezuela. they've got to be concerned about their safety any time they go back. >> absolutely. kidnapping is becoming a common practice in venezuela. there were no numbers available for 2011. but last year, the number the government said that there were 686 kidnappings in the country. the practice is so widespread that there's even a movie about what is locally known as sequestro express, anderson, kidnapping express, where people are kidnapped for a short period of time by criminals that demand money. they kidnap you and call your family and demand a modest ransom, not one that's so extravagant that a family would have trouble paying. i've seen it. i have friends and family who have been victims of it. venezuela is a very difficult country. >> reporting those kidnappings in mexico as well all across the mick spectrum. thank you for the reporting. up next, a different crimes story, the case of the stolen bike and the owner who fought back. that is the ridiculist. first, isha with a 360 bulletin. >> police say they've received 900 tips in the search for the missing 2-year-old but nothing, quote, actionable. they searched the apartment where he lived with his mother and a wooded area where she told police she last saw her son nine days ago after she left him alone in a car. police say they're frustrated by a lack of information from the mother. the website cars.com pulled its ad from saturday's game against nebraska and will do the same this coming weekend in the game against 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