heard. >> we are excited. he is excited. >> tonight, how congressional republicans became accomplices to the criminal ex-president. >> this is an outstanding group of people. i am with them 1000%. they are with me 1000%. >> as trump pressures a speaker of the house to overturn his felony conviction. new reporting on more undisclosed luxury gifts to justice clarence thomas. and why the ruling on abortion pills is just the beginning of the battle when all in starts right now . good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a lot has happened on capitol hill since the last time donald trump was there. there was the deadly insurrection he incited. there was the biden inauguration he skipped. the record-setting second impeachment he faced for the deadly insurrection he incited. there was a time in the immediate aftermath of all of that, late january, february, march it seemed he may never be welcomed back. but we know how that turned out to. today, the former president and is 34 felony convictions tracked to trick capitol hill with the invitation of house and senate republicans where he was received like a different don. seeking that supporters, but accomplices and co- conspirators. >> they are using us as a bad example of democracy. they are getting away with murder and we won't let it happen. you're either elected or you will be elected again and reelected and i'm with everyone of you and you know that. this is an outstanding group of people. i am with them 1000% in there with me 1000%. we agree on just about everything and that if there isn't, we work it out. >> the term is the ring with donald trump it loses all meaning. everything about this appearance was meant to convey the idea of republican party unity in the performance strenuously. the unity on trump's terms remaking the party of blinken into a mafia-type operation with him at the top. the man who was just convicted in a conspiracy to pay up former paramore's because he feared their stories was complicate his election campaign. found liable for sexual assault for the kind he breaks about. a man who surrounded himself with lackeys who have been convicted or charged with serious crimes from steve bannon, robert manafort, michael flynn. trumpists pardoned or commuted the sentence on every of them. they are not rats they never snitched. trump envisions his interactions with these people as organized crime transactional terms. you do for me and if i'm in a good mood and happy with your performance, you will get -- the republican party has signed up to be a part of this. that was on display today in his discussions with capitol hill republicans behind closed doors. as sources told punch bowl news reporter jake sherman, trump segment out house republicans out of the 10 that impeached only one is left. sherman pointed out that was wrong. there two left but this is trump basically doing his impression of robert de niro's al capone in the untouchables pointing at the people who flipped on him. a snitches get stitches, stand my good side message to foot soldiers. if you think that pressure does not work, look at the outgoing republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. remember what he said about trump in the aftermath of the capitol insurrection? >> there is no question, none that former president trump is morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. this was an intensified crescendo of conspiracy theories , orchestrated by a going president who seemed determined to either overturn the voters decision or else torch our institutions on the way out. >> and yet, here was macconnell today. the old man supplicant, submissive. bending over to kiss the ring, giving a breezy endorsement of trump's capitol hill -- >> how was it seeing the former president? >> we had a good meeting. yeah, we shook hands a few times. he took questions from the audience. it was a positive setting. >> despite that, plenty of those adoring republican lawmakers were focalin up to trip the details of his back room talk to sherman and other reporters because, you can never underestimate just how cowardly they out. went wrong told house republicans at milwaukee where we are having the convention is a horrible city. another republican source said trump was rambling to the crowd and said it was like i quote talking to your drunk uncle at the family reunion. of course, in public those anonymous sources will get in line and kiss the ring and give him whatever he wants. maybe you think it's too literal on my part. hyperbolic. crime boss. accomplices. surely he doesn't embrace actual criminal gangs and violence but this is part of this campaign. listen closely to this. i still can't get over this. it flew almost completely beneath the radar of mainstream media and i will include us with the exception of the associated press. was on display at his campaign rally in the bronx when he shared the stage with a few supportive guests. >> rapper, does everyone know him? where is he. come on up, fellows. >> always going to whisper the accomplishments and shout your failures. trump will shout the wins for all of us. >> make america great again. >> okay. trump is doing a rally in the bronx. to the district attorney in brooklyn, their criminal defendants in a sweeping extensive gang case where they say they gave material support to a crips gang during a violent street or with another game. >> brooklyn district attorney eric gonzalez said the gang members use more than 30 guns to threaten or eliminate their rivals in total, he said, was one murder, four attempted murder's, 12 nonfatal shootings. >> what we alleging what we learned during the course of this investigation is sheff g used a lot of the money that he earned to help facilitate threat of gang activity. he encourage gang members to participate in violent crimes. >> sheff g who was a rapper on stage with trump, prosecutors alleged he threw a party in a restaurant for to celebrated drive-by shooting in which one alleged rival gang member was killed and five others were injured. murder. again, alleged. innocent until proven guilty but did you hear all that? imagine what the new york post would've done with this headline if those two gentlemen had shown up at a rally for alexandria ocasio-cortez or president biden introduced them on stage? but, the fact of the matter is that the republican party, conservatives have a criminal as their preferred nominee, and embracing a criminal model for the enterprise that is now the republican party. michelle goldberg is a columnist for "the new york times". terra, served as republican communication director and now she's a senior adviser for blinken project. let's start with the two individuals on that stage. again, still cannot believe it happened. these are not to hash there's all kinds of ways people can be accused of crime. the system can be unfair but they are accused of being part of a gang that is killed and shot people and maimed people. they are on stage with donald trump. i don't think it's an accident. i think it's the vibe of the campaign. >> yeah, i talked about this right after the rally. i think on this network as a matter of fact, pointing out how despicable this was and how this is seemingly okay now in the law and order republican party. it is such an up front to so many things. it is an insult to the american people that we are supposed to sit here and think this is normal. he is a convicted felon now. republicans are welcoming him to capitol hill with a hero's welcome. back to the scene of the crime were mitch mcconnell called him morally and practically response over and insurrection. paled around with accused murderers. this is normal. this is fine. it is not. it gets very frustrating sometimes when there seems to be a morally clever lens made between trump and president biden in the way the campaigns are covered. donald trump did what he did today. is having rallies where he's going on random rants about sharks and boots and electrocution. he is palling around with guys on stage who are alleged criminals. meanwhile, president biden is overseas representing the united states with honor and dignity at the g7 and entered into a security deal with ukraine trying to maintain democracy in europe. there is no moral equivalence. to your point about how this slipped under the radar and it seems par for the course for donald trump, unfortunately, this is who he is. by the way, for any black folks who thinks donald trump is on your side, this is what he thinks of you. black people will like me because i hang around with criminals and they wear flashy chains and gold sneakers. it is such an of front but it's who donald trump is. >> michelle, one thing that happens here and i use the mafia metaphor but something soviet about it because the performance of unity is so intense. behind-the-scenes, you've got talking to your drunk uncle. he was rambling. everyone tells reporters and there is this distance in this cynical where there was in soviet regimes and other regimes of the unbelievable applause and then everyone telling the reporter, he was really nuts behind closed doors. >> it brings back memories of 2016 to 2020 where you constantly had republicans in these really degrading obsequious displays of field t then they would try to distance themselves from it when no one was looking. maybe because at some level they think it's all a game. we have seen how far goes over and over. as to the mafia element, it's not just these two rapper max. the trump campaign is leading hard into my metaphors. you see no donald trump rallies and trump events, merchandise with godfather. he has compared himself favorably to al capone. as i wrote about breitbart ran this interview peter navarro, trump official, future trump official if trump is reelected in a federal prison in miami gave this jailhouse interview kind of boasting how he gets treated really well because both the guards and the inmates love donald trump. sue bird of how -- would be treated if he goes to prison. able to slice the garlic really thin. i think what's important is it's not just hypocrisy, not just to fines of law and order but a different model of governance that a lot of republicans have embraced. hierarchical based on personal relationships that they see is an alternative to technocratic liberalism. >> it's mafia state as an aspirational model. trying to put it in. i never know what is worse. the people who are pretending are the people who are true believers. i think i know which category marjorie taylor greene is but let's play her reaction to seeing donald trump today. >> i really found his speech to be one of my favorite speeches. he came in and talked to the conference. was very honest. he was funny. he was joking around constantly with everyone. he was really sweet to me. he said, okay, you have one more seat. you need to be tougher. he saw me, i was sitting back, he saw me and he was like hello, marjorie. he so sweet and recognizes mandy said are you being nice? he was joking. are you being nice to speaker johnson? and he said be nice to him. i nodded my head. >> the thing about this is, tara, but it's not debt this is the duality. he knows what he's doing in the transactional politics are real and they have bought into it. it is successful because there willing to get on board for what it will mean for them. >> yes, of course. the true believers are the enablers? who was worse? the enabler is. the true believers you can excuse a way that they are so far into it that it's not rational for them. the enabler's are the ones who know better and they are in a position to say no or to stay stop. when no one else with which is what conservatives were supposed to be doing according to bill buckley, the conservative godfather of modern conservative history. they did not do that. they made a decision it will be a transactional, political, expedient decision to suck up to donald trump whose existential threat to our democracy. he wants a mob, clip tok chrissy, and they're okay as long as i get their piece of the pie. no one is safe with donald trump. he will come for them too which is the sad part. we as a democracy would have to pay the price. that's why he has to be stopped. >> ask mike pence who narrowly avoided having his -- >> correct. >> getting grabbed by a mob calling for him to be hank. this is j.d. vance speaking to people auditioning to be the next person who may be facing the situation. no real republican with any credibility and the party still blaming trump for january 6. some of his critics were in the room and are supportive. i think it's a good thing in the republican party is a good place. i think today was the button on the january 6 was bad era of the republican party. to whatever extent, and it was a definitive marking of the end . >> and it has been coming for a while. this is a candidate who is running explicitly on january 6 rioters are heroes and warriors and going to pardon them all. the party embraced him and they have embraced that message. j.d. vance is correct, there's not very many republicans if any credibility in their party who will say what mitch mcconnell said right after january 6 and what i think most of them know in their hearts to be true. >> michelle goldberg, tara setmayer, thank you. republican pick for person and you want to overturn your conviction of multiple felonies? who will you call. you call. for all the bravado from republicans consisting being convicted on 34 felony counts is somehow a good thing, seems trump himself does not believe that. reported by political reveals days after his conviction, trump made a desperate call to speaker of the house johnson. he was so angry that he drop frequent f bombs pleading with the speaker we have to overturn this. that's not really in the power the u.s. congress nor should it be. trump was convicted in the state of new york and that the federal system but that's not stopping them. the morning after, johnson was making a public appeal to the conservatives on the supreme court. >> i do believe the supreme court should step in. this is totally unprecedented and dangerous to the system. the justices on the court, many of them personally i know them. they are deeply concerned as we are. i think they will set this straight. >> yesterday house republicans later whipping a bill that would allow presidents state- level to move to federal. a fellow with the brookings institute and senior editor and contributing editor at the atlantic where she wrote about trauma and ski disdain for democracy and she joins me now. when i saw this, i thought that's not the way any of this works. that has not stopped things before. i thought that way about the mifepristone suit in amarillo and look how far that got. it does seem they are on board, the house republican caucus, and trying to come up with a way to bail him out. >> the house republican caucus may be on board but that doesn't mean whatever they are planning will work. whether or not, if the bill went through, i think there would be serious challenges that would probably be made on federalism rounds. congress can't mess around with state courts however it likes. then he has already been convicted. his options at this point are appealing through the new york state court system, and then to the supreme court. there are a handful of legal arguments he could make on the grounds of federal law. that is going to take a long time. it's not going to be done before the election. >> this is the reporting about the scotus hail mary. this is jose in the daily beast sing most request for emergency actions go to justices assigned to a circuit. in this case it's sonia sotomayor who is ruled beef against trump. petitioner may renew the application to any other justice and theoretically continue until the majority the court denied the application which means he could keep chugging on the slot machine until the right justice pops up. i am with you that it seems implausible even by the degraded standards of this supreme court. i keep telling myself, that might be true now. all that stands between us and the unthinkable is, are those people in power at the highest enough levels do the right thing or do something craven? >> i think it's a case where the supreme court institutional equities are important to understand. it's also worth noting that the idea that he could ping-pong from justice to justice, that's not how the court tends to do things now. i believe what they usually do is the emergency application would go to justice sonia sotomayor then instead of going to another justice if denied, it would go to the full court as a matter of practice. i think it's fair to say they would almost certainly turn it down. it's an extremely conservative court and hard right court but it's not a maga court. i think there have been issues were trump's interests align with those of the conservative justices and you see benefits for him there, but it's really hard for me to see how he could even get to four justices who would be interested in taking on this case. right out of the bat. he would be stretching. >> i totally agree, and i think one of the things you see is mitch mcconnell had the speech after january 6 that was like, this is not the way you do this. this was nutty. he was saying, you've got to do the bushby gore thing if you want to take the election away on this january 6 nonsense. it's do it that way which is what the immunity hail marys all about. that's a ludicrous argument. it's gotten a hearing and done what it needed to do in terms of delaying. this call up mike johnson and yell at him make some magical pill that makes me no longer a convicted felon will not get the job. >> i think this is what things look like in a federal system. congress, the president if trump is elected again, they do not have power over what the new york state courts to. alvin bragg whose office prosecuted the case, the district attorney, he was directly elected by the people of manhattan. to some extent, with trump is raging against is the idea that there might be jurisdictions that are -- simply out of his control. >> that is exactly what has him worked up. thank you so much. case $4 million in gifts were not enough, wppsi, it looks like clarence thomas forgot to disclose another set of high end trips from his billionaire benefactor. nefacto r frosted treat with a sweet kick of confidence. cirkul is the effortless energy that gets you in the zone. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ i don't ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i'm committed to golo for life. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. president biden is initially meeting with world leaders for the g7 summit. the group used for the classic family photo. this version of the picture edited by political scientist ian brehmer revealed something important about the leaders of the world's biggest economies. they are all really unpopular. those numbers other net disapproval ratings with president biden coming in second underwater by only 18.5. there's one big reason why the leaders are all unpopular. all the g7 nations and most of the world have faced levels of inflation not seen for decades. none of the leaders are directly responsible. the jump inflation coincided with the end of the pandemic and a result of enormous surge in pent-up demand and mid- pandemic restrain on supply. voters rationally hate inflation. it has been three or four years of prices going up and they blame the incumbent party. in the u.s., the consumer price index hit a whopping 9% in 2022. we have recovered relatively well, better than many of our counterparts in the g7. it dropped to 3.3% as of yesterday's report. that is the rate of increase. prices are going up at a slower rate. cumulatively, prices are still way up here and everywhere. the truth is joe biden did not really have a lot to do with the fact the line went up her that it went down. that is mostly circumstances outside his control. i will say this. his administration has tried hard to cut costs for americans where they can taking steps to lower prescription drug costs and canceling student debt. getting rid of junk figures. but for the most part, the rise and fall of inflation was a result of external factors like the pandemic and the decisions of the federal reserve outside of president biden's control. voters might look at that and say, why does it matter who the next president is if it's coming down on its own? it matters because donald trump is running on the most explicitly inflationary platform in modern history. >> we should have a ring around the collar as they say. when companies come in and dump their products in the united states, they should pay let's say a 10% tax. i like 10% for everybody. >> his proposal, 10% across-the- board tariff on all foreign goods would be a sales tax. it would raise prices for american consumers 10% on everything from avocados to iphones. if you think that's bad, today, behind closed doors outside of the view of cameras, trump proposed one of the most deranged policies i have ever heard. he told republican lawmakers behind closed doors he wants to eliminate the income tax and replace it entirely with tariffs effectively taking us back to the 19th century. this idea makes as much sense as ripping up the interstate highway system and replacing it with canals. an economist did math estimates a policy, quote, would require an average tariff of 133%. not 10%. that's 133% tax hike on all imported goods. that would be passed on to consumers. a sales tax of 133%. it would cost americans hundreds of billions of dollars. senior policy adviser that economic counsel explained further, another way to put's latest incredibly unworkable idea, it would raise taxes by $5000 for a typical family if you are a working person who buys stuff. it would cut taxes for the average family in the top 0.1% by $1.5 million. this proposal would jack up everything everywhere for normal people, crushing the average american male wallet while giving the wealthiest folks who don't have to pay income tax and don't buy that much enormous windfall. millions and millions of dollars. the man who has a 50-50 shot of taking the white house in large part because of the macroeconomic conditions of produced high inflation. he is seriously and earnestly currently running on the most insanely inflationary platform i have ever seen. higher prices, higher taxes for everyone. it would make what we've seen look like nothing. thing. only purple's gel flex grid passes the raw egg test. no other mattress cradles your body and simultaneously supports your spine. memory foam doesn't come close. get your best sleep guaranteed right now! save up to $400. visit purple.com or a store near you. surprise, there are more undisclosed private jet trips. we are learning clarence thomas took at least three private jet trips paid for by his very generous benefactor billionaire republican harlan crow according to an ongoing investigation by democrats on the senate judiciary committee. propublica is reporting the newly revealed flights adds to his frequent use of crow's jeff a personal travel allowing him to fly in the style of which he is wealthy. he owns a bombardier global 5000 that can cost $10,000 per flight hour. thomas has flown to destinations on the same day. that sounds like a nice way to go. his lawyer said the troops fell under the personal hospitality exemption and not required to be disclosed. justin elliott, one of the reporters who broke the story and many other stories about the undisclosed gifts to justice thomas and samuel alito. they won up or lets her for the reporting on the supreme court last year and he joins me now. three more trips. what have we learned? >> the thing that striking to me is the scale of it. we are looking at a picture where harlan crow's private jet -- is a nice type of private jet was at the disposal of justice thomas. there's multiple incidents where for example flying from washington, d.c. to san jose and staying there a few hours and turning around and going back in the same day. that's happened repeatedly and receive the job from where it's based in dallas to d.c. to pick up the justice. it adds to a long list and you have a billionaire political donor in a way subsidizing the life of a justice. >> they don't make clear the purpose of the trips including a trip to st. louis -- from st. louis to montana, glacier park, then to dallas two days later. he was scheduled to be in st. louis for a time in a speech. he flew to the east coast to san jose and return the day. this is the kind of think you only get to do if you are a billionaire. this is how taylor swift -- that's how they get around. >> the san jose round-trip, seemingly for lunch, we don't know what it is for, that could easily cost well over $100,000 just the flight. probably double the income that an american makes in a year. its extraordinary amount of money. last week, justice thomas actually after data is reporting amended prior years financial disclosure forms to disclose other things that harlan crow has paid for, hotels, lodging, a trip to california, indonesia. that's the third time he has done that. >> these three no one knew about or were reported. >> these were new to us. >> you had no idea? >> i had no idea. >> this has to be totally it's. there's no way there's anything else. we have a definitive accounting? >> some reporting we did it took us months of reporting to piece together these trips and other gifts that justice thomas and justice alito got. we do not have subpoena power. the senate judiciary committee does. they said today there will be a report of their findings of this investigation coming out in the summer. i would not be surprised if there were more revelations. >> they subpoenaed leonard leo who basically told them to go to >> pound sand? >> thank you for stopping me. to pound sand and i do not know what's happening but harlan crow was cooperating? they are getting this from harlan crow? >> they authorize the subpoena but did not issue it and it became a leverage in their negotiations and they came to a deal where he's giving them information over the last seven years potentially not just travel but other things. we will only find out when the full investigation comes out. >> can we show the bar chart? it's tough to read. which one is thomas? out there he is on the left. we might need to raise up that bar after we we price these ones in. maybe this summer we will get more. can i get your response to something justice alito said about your reporting because he talks about you and i want you to respond. it's something he said recently. surreptitiously recorded. >> there are groups that are very well-funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. >> like who? >> propublica gets a lot of money. they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas. >> have you spent a fortune? are these ideological attacks? >> yeah, it was disturbing to hear this. it's. speculation based on no evidence. the reporters who did this work, i can tell you how it was started. it was we will report on how supreme court justices are spending the time when they're not at the court. it started with a stack of documents of travel documents, no names of the justices, and we pieced together was justice thomas taking private jets. we took a look at the democratic appointed justices and have not found anything equivalent. >> if we could put up that bar chart. it's hard to find the signal from the noise in that chart. it takes a lot of energy to uncover that one on the left. >> is somebody knows about george soros funding -- i would love to report it and you can find my contact information on all our stories. as the supreme court unanimously rejects attempt to panic the abortion pill, what they are just getting started on restricting reproductive rights. eproductive rights. qunol's extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust. what is cirkul? cirkul is the fuel you need to take flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com. are you still struggling with your bra? it's time for you to try knix. makers of the world's comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com today, the supreme court unanimously rejected the attempt to limit the access to mifepristone and that is a good thing. mifepristone is used in more than 60% of all abortions in the country as well as the treatment of miscarriages and should remain accessible. this case should not a made its way to to the supreme court in the first place. the case which is based on faulty legal log should question the fda approval was first introduced by conservative group in amarillo, texas, and incorporated there's a think of violet guaranteeing it would land before the judge, a hard right activists appointed to the bench by donald trump. predictably, the plan worked. he sided with them and ban mifepristone and issued a nationwide injunction. the decision was mostly upheld by the maga fifth circuit court of appeals. that court of appeals is the most radically right-wing pro-trump court in the land. the supreme court threw it out today. unanimously because the plaintiffs lacked standing and it was too ridiculous even for this court. make no mistake. republicans may have lost this battle but they're still fighting the war. they want to ban the abortion pill and will try to bring a similar suit and will do so given the opportunity. they don't want to stop there. senate republicans locked up ellen enshrining protection for infant true fertilization only adapt to the southern baptist convention, the largest protestant denomination in the country and a huge source of the republican grassroots voted to condemn the procedure of ivf. the republican party and the grassroots of the party truly believe in this. they are not going to stop. their crusade against reproductive rights until they either win or are definitively defeated politically. joining me as legal correspondent lisa rubin. let's start with the decision today which was not surprising. they kicked it on what is called standing grounds. >> standing is the notion that you have to be a person who has been injured to maintain the lawsuit. it goes back to the concept in the constitution that courts can only hear cases or controversies and not imagine grievances. what the court is saying in this decision that the alliance defending freedom didn't have standing to bring the suit and there's a real singers. justice kavanaugh the writing says an organization that has not suffered a concrete interest josh industry cannot go into standing by expending money to gather information and advocate against the defendant meaning the food and drug administration's action. they cannot manufacture standing. that's the good part but as you noted, there are easter egg sprinkled throughout this decision that our gifts to the antiabortion right. in large part because if one side cannot have standing, the other can't d there. one of the things this opinion says is doctors should not presume they will have standing to advocate for their patients. that usually means something different for pro-abortion doctors than it does on the anti-choice side. >> i want to read the standing argument the plaintiffs presented. it's in all-time or. this is from the initial -- i don't know if it's the scotus brief. when the patience of chemical abortions, doctors lose the opportunity to provide professional services and care for the women a child through pregnancy which causes arms to providers who no longer can care for their patients and bring about a successful delivery on a new life. when you use mifepristone , woman, you deprive me ob/gyn of the joy of delivering your baby which is a tangible harm to me go i have standing. that survived the district court and survived the fifth circuit court of appeals. >> there is a twist on that argument which is you deprive me of the ability to care for more deserving patients, the women who want to deliver their children as opposed to women who present in the emergency room having had a camp location from mifepristone -- >> hypothetically. let's be clear. >> when i am forced to divert my attention from deserving woman to take care of your morally bankrupt woman. >> here is the thing i think everyone has been talking about. you can do this through the courts or through the department of justice if you the teeth to do it. this is justice alito talking about -- he doesn't say the name interestingly. he reads the u.s. section and the solicitor general of the u.s. says the name. >> shouldn't the fda have at least considered the application of 18 usc 1461? >> i think the comstock provisions do not fall within fda's lane. >> the comstock law, those are passed in the victorian era to outlaw all tools for abortion and birth control. >> sending them data if you want to talk about zombie laws and we have talked about them a lot, all-time statutes forbidding abortion are things that would allow people to achieve abortion. the comstock act is the ultimate zombie law and it was understood for many decades that the comstock act had no effect as it applied to the sending through the mail. the biden administration has made clear they do not believe the comstock act needs to be enforced unless the intent is to help somebody accomplish something that would be unlawful and given that mail- order prescription of mifepristone is lawful, the interpretation is there's nothing to be done. in a different administration, you can count on the same folks who brought this litigation to press that heavily with the department of justice. >> we are not talking civil but there are criminal penalties. the department of justice could conceivably on day one start having the fbi arrest and prosecute people for mailing abortion drugs. >> they may not even have to go that far as you can terrorize people into not doing anything just by having a law and having the threat that somebody could be criminally prosecuted for doing something. >> this is not hypotheticals. there are people writing and talking about this. it's mentioned a project 2025. lisa rubin, thank you. alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> there are women already terrified for making choices about their bodily autonomy even though they are not -- people who would be convicted. fear at all levels of american society. first visit to capitol hill since he was president, since his followers ransacked the capitol on january 6th to understand why trump chose to come back after nearly three years away you don't have to look as far back as th you just have to remember what trump has been asking congress to do since his criminal conviction two weeks ago. the day after