president biden fights back against growing call to leave ce ticket viral moments like this light of social media. ♪ >> i'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we can do with more border patrol and more asylum officers. ex-president trump? i really do not know what he said at the end of the scent of the don't think he knows what he said either >> that was painful i'd love to bite and i work for joe biden he did not do well at all for. >> president biden is in full damage control mode growing calls within his pa a party form to step down. >> i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know, i know how to tell the truth >> president trump tries to ride the wave of momentum. >> the question everybody should be asking themselves it is not whether joe biden can survive a 90 minute debate performance, but whether america can survive four more years of crooked joe biden >> reaction pennsylvania senator joe biden a staunch defender of biden. an ohio republican's energy demands on president trump short vp list. plus >> a court agrees a number of the defendants of the generally six proceedings have been overcharged. >> target country nation of law at some point there is a law that applies to people who break into the night states capitol for great major decision from the supreme court on january 6 convictions limiting the power of the federal bureaucracy with the decision on presidential immunity slated for tomorrow our legal panel is here to take a closer look at the contentious cases all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪. shannon: ella from fox news in washington. president biden the first lady art camp david to date with their children and grandchildren after attending fundraisers at new york's wealthy enclave in the hamptons. that follows calls for major newspapers from across the country for him to leave the race after his debate performance. a fr front-page editorial the atlanta journal lord writing of biden should withdraw from the race for the good of the nation. it is all happening former president trump awaits the supreme court ruling on presidential immunity tomorrow. his sentencing in new york the following week first hush money felony convictions. in a moment we will get reaction to all the latest headlines providing supporter senator john fetterman trump supporter jd vance first we begin with lucas tomlinson at the white house. >> good evening, shin and that is right president biden is huddling with his family at camp david to answer the question many are asking, should he drop out of the race? >> and mr. president. [inaudible] requests biden ignored the question as he left the hamptons. this banner seen flying overhead former president donald trump appeared to have an answer. >> four more years for. >> after the debate biden vowed to press on. >> is not millions of americans know when you get knocked down you get back up. >> pressure mounting on biden his opponent to be taking it easy. trump played a round of golf at his club outside the nation's capitol after posting his speech on friday it was better he seems to be coming out of his trance. america must ask itself with all of the many dangers around do we really want a president who chokes? i don't think so. at a rally in battleground virginia fry trump offered his assessment of the debates frequency studied so hard he did not know what he was doing. >> joe biden has always had our back and we are going to have his. we are still writing with biden but not all democrats agree production biden should be an elder statesman. he promised us all that he would be a transitional president. he broke his word. >> biden was forced to drop out of his first presidential run nearly 40 years ago after he was accused of plagiarism. >> it's awfully clear to me no choice i have to make, i have to tell you honestly i do it with incredible reluctance and it makes me angry. >> and biden campaigns as it has raised over $33 million since the debate so far there's been no calls of democratic lawmakers for the president to drop out of the race. shannon: lucas tomlinson at the white house, thank you very much for joining us now pennsylvania senator john federer fetterman. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thanks, it's great to be here. shannon: you know what it's like to have a tough debate you posted about this and said for people freaking out you said chill the blank out. the wars have only grown you've hurt lucas us reportedly have the "new york times," the atlanta journal-constitution a number of pundits on the left thing has got to be done for the good of the country for the president to step away. have you changed your position at all? >> oh no, oh no. i don't put any kinds of -- there is no value in any of those things there is a same kind of freak out after my debates and in fact i might say i had more difficulty than the president didn't hear him right now having this conversation. i would really like to remind everybody watching that right now biden is a one and trump is still zero he is the only person who's ever beaten trump. i really believe joe biden will do that again despite all of the democrats wetting the bed over that kind of thing. shannon: editor at your position is will be able to watch and see this incredible recovery for you. you've gotten consistently better and better. but a lot of folks appointed president biden say if this is a matter of age in a matter of ability that is not going to reverse it so different than your situation? >> well know of course we both had a difficult debate and yet we still manage to go on to win. everyone was calling that was the end of my career that it was the end of this race everyone was predicting i was going to lose by two points or more. and i smoke him by five points on that is what i am saying. one debate is not a career any more than donald trump 38 convictions for felonies are not going to define his reputation and his presidency. that is why they are both here again. it is the same year conversation i said this in 2016 is going to be very close. i said this in 2020 and i am saying it consistently through this race now. it's going to be very close just for clarity 34 he is awaiting sentencing will be covering that on july 11 the head of the convention. please talk about the president being able to win but is that the only measure here? do you have any worries he can actually govern if he do doesn't win for four more years? >> i don't. i have watched them for the last four years he's done incredibly good things. he got us through that pandemic. over a million americans lost their lives through that and look at our economy. ours is the world's envy economic kinds of power. look at the stock market but look at all these other metrics people were calling it was going to be a recession and here we are now blooming. the president's done a really good job and he deserves a second term i really do want to be clear is going to be very close i have said this before and that is not going to change and progress our latest polling we did in pennsylvania specifically because it is such a bellwether important state for any candidate who wants to try to get to the white house showed it was a tie are less pulling had at 48 even for both of these men had to head slightly different look when you bring in third-party candidates. but you mention the economy so i want to bring this up. in pennsylvania when asked who would do a better job on foreign policy, on the economy, on immigration and the border specifically in pennsylvania and they gave wide margins to president trump so how do you see that playing out in your critical state? >> the only poll that's really going to matter is election day the polls a change in the inverted and my race as well and here i am as united states senator and i just got back from israel a couple of days ago. that is what i want to remind everybody one debate does not define a person's record for the kind of person or the situation certainly not about an election that is four and a half months ago. >> was talk about your trip to israel you met with a lot of top leaders across the political spectrum but i want to start with prime minister benjamin trend when you spent time together he had great praise for your unwavering support of israel. i want it what your assessment is to be talked about his perception of support for the biden administration clearly them in very public tensions and some differences what was your conversation with him on that point? >> it was an honor to spend time with him as well he is a democratic elected leader of our key key ally i had the opportunity to literally meet everybody in leadership. i've met idf soldiers i have met university students across the spectrum. i really wanted to make sure everybody we stand with israel throughout all of this. i have disagreed with the president through that and i have shared that that is why there is the pictures i have had the opportunity to meet everybody and remind everybody we need to stand with israel through all of this and is going to get more and more difficult. we also want to make sure we bring back all of this and i cannot possibly support any kind of a deal for peace as long as hamas cannot be in power in any of that hamas needs to be effectively neutralized before there is any kind of peace. shannon: there is a left wing of your party more progressive that differs with you on that they are asking for totally different things pointing the blame at different places. they've been very vocal. are you worried about how that might impact present biden's ability to shore up the democrats and win reelection knowing the other voices are calling? some of them have a movement called band and blinded for their support him in the past aanother actively campaigning against him. >> that whole abandon biden thing is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. if you are more inclined to vote for a democrat or be exempt after willing to walk away from joe biden you are helping trump in that is really it is, if that kind of movement has that kind of move and they went to play with that kind of fire they better earn that burn. and now especially because people have turned their backs on joe biden. now, it's going to mean sure everyone is going to be all hands on the deck. and that continued to talk about this is a very stark choice. what kind of president you want for the next four years? what you want to talk about? the thing these men are excesses one is rebuilding america and taking us in a better direction or donald trump who is obsessed with revenge has been very clear he is here to be retribution and i do not believe the president they should never be a weaponize against the people in this america who happened to disagree with you. shannon: we know you are in the middle of a lot of diverse divisive heated conversations, senator per thank you for taking time with us it's good to have you. >> thank you for having me. shannon: german ohio republican senator jd vance. senator you hurt your colleagues saying president trump is about division and about revenge, your response? >> if you actually watch the performance of president trump in the debate that is not what it is about at all. it's getting the country back on track. bringing prosperity and peace back to the world stage and actually having a leader who can sit in a room with other world leaders and do the job as president. if you look at just how the two candidates performed, obviously joe biden had a disastrous performance which is whether talk about replacing him. you have to look at what donald trump was able to do showed commands of the facts he was a funny, he was engaging, is pushing back a little bit but doing it with a good natured demeanor. that is what you need to be able to serve as president of the united states and the contrast with joe biden who seemed to be unable to complete a sentence. i'm not worried about their debate performances, shannon, i am worried about what did these guys look like in the world stage? which of that look like in private meetings with world leaders and clearly donald trump shows he can represent our country well in that form joe biden showed he couldn't it was a remarkable contrast but this is not about division this is about prosperity. how do we get wages rising how do we shutdown the border and stop a world where everything seems to be on fire under joe biden's leadership? the very joe biden we also out the debate stage a couple nights ago. shannon: 's team says is showing up for the september debate the surgeries questions whether president excuse me president trump will is there any conversation he would not show up for the second debate? >> look and think donald trump is going to do is the best interest of his campaign because him winning is what's in the best interest of the country. i would donald trump to make the decision whether he is going to the september debate speak clearly the debates have been very good for him and i think a next debate would be very good for president trump because the contrast is remarkable. we have to ask ourselves not how these guys performed at the debate but how could joe biden possibly do the job of pairing against world leaders? how could anybody think having seen donald trump on the debate stage that he could not do the job. obviously he could and that is ultimately what the debate really showed we have two candidates one who cannot do the job one who has failed to do the job that is joe biden donald trump of both could do the job but has already done it successfully. we have a remarkable choice for the american people i am so glad i'm on the side of the guy who is actually done the job well and showed the debate he could do it again. shannon: it or you are among those who set you want a president biden to stay on the ticket that there people who voted for him and that's what they owed the democrats who have supported him all of those delegates were heading that way we know this a growing conversation pushing them out we know it today at camp david he is having a conversation with his family he was told it was a preplanned conversation meeting with the children and grandchildren of course the first lady but it raises speculation about the conversation. nikki haley is out there were in the trump campaign needs to be ready for change she said this the wall street journal they are going to be smart about it they're going to bring in somebody younger per the going to bring in someone vibrant they're going to bring in someone tested. we note voters have told us in polls across the board they do not like this rematch. what happens to the preparation, the strategy for president trump's team if you join the ticket or don't if they get somebody who has better favorables, younger, more likable and it got a new opponent to get ready for. >> i actually don't care if joe biden is a democratic nominee because donald trump is the republican nominee the contrast between republican policies under donald trump and whoever the democrats ultimately end up with is very powerful. but i do think as it would be incredible insult the democratic voters to have this primary process that was effectively rigged in favor of joe biden and then at the last minute when joe biden has a disastrous debate performance try to switch him out but who are they going to switch him out with? how could they possibly offer a good contrast to the guy who brought prosperity to his own country and peace on the world stage? the problem is not joe biden had a bad debate. the problem is democratic leadership over the last three and a half years has led to a war in europe, wars in africa were in the middle east and potential war in east asia not to mention sky high inflation every single one of the possible democrats who could run for president they all supported the policies that led to that inflation. i'm not worried about their party i am focused on our own party i think we have the best candidate to make the case if you elect us if you give donald trump a chance at the presidency he is going to bring back the peace and prosperity that is all we want is an america back on track for donald trump delivered it once he's going to deliver it again. shannon: let's talk f foreign policy talk about that how important is to any commander-in-chief president biden said president trump would withdraw from nato he says he would tilt vladimir putin and has told him just do what you want that's a quote when it comes to attacking nato members despite obligations what is president trump's position on staying in nato and coming to the defense as agreed under article five should someone be attacked? >> the first of all the democrats argument is so inconsistent with reality russia took territory under the bush administration it took a territory under the obama admin's ration took territory under the biden administration. it took zero territory under the trump administration because of vladimir putin actually respected donald trump and he has not respected any of these other clowns. that is the most important thing when it comes to putin's aggression in europe and the democrats arguments are absurd. on the question of nato what trump is said very clearly is your past to step up. america cannot be the policeman of the world. want nato to be a strong alliance. we do not want nato countries to beat welfare cli claims of the united states in vladimir pu putin's a significant threat to putin the germans have to step up, the french have to step up they need to do more for their own security. i think that argument lands not just with a lot of americans but with europeans. they are not our clients and want nato to be a strong alliance but for that to be the case the europeans and got to step up or is there any scenario there is an attack on a nato ally and we don't show up? >> look, shannon, we're going to honor our treaty obligations donald trump has been very clear about that but what donald trump is also been very clear about is that europeans have to take a bigger role in their own security. and by the way that's already had an effect. compared to the trump administration donald trump effectively applied pressure to them. another trump administration i'm working hard when you see more and more europeans taken a bigger role because they respect trumps leadership and also recognizerecognize trump is sayy clearly you guys have got to carry your fair share it's fair to america it's better for europe, it's better for the whole world for the europeans to step up that is the republican position it's different from the democrats position they have effectively told the europeans american taxpayers will float your security indefinitely. america's other things to focus on china, our own domestic problems europe is got to step up and that is a very important distinction between donald trump and joe biden. shannon: have got to go but senator any announcements you like to make before you go? [laughter] not from me as you know i've said it want to support the president however i can. he is winning this race the debate was just the latest big amount for the campaign's to mae donald trump a president going to keep on working however i can and in whatever way i can and as hard as i can to make sure it happens because that's what's of the best interest of our country. shannon: see out there and the traders trail, senator thank you. >> thanks jennifer cook's block buster week of historical rulings of the supreme court the final decision day is tomorrow we will finally learn where the justices stand on presidential immunity our legal panel takes a look at the contentious decisions we got this week and the landmark opinion about to make history. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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president elizabeth wydra crisis president carrie severino clerked for justice clarence thomas but welcome all of you with that would not be sold during the end of the term right now but we are going into overtime. let's talk a little bit about what with got this week the active federal regulation how far regulators can go it came to the court in the context of these fisheries that said if yi you're going to put monitors on our boats and make us pay for them that is too much regulation but here is megan from one of the fisheries, they won their case. >> i am a static. we finally have a level playing field. american citizens finally have the same rights in court as the united states government. that is huge is going to make a huge difference in our industry and in every industry going forward. shannon: kind of wonky every industry this is a major impact for quick huge impact on citizens across the country we live in the so-called age of regulation. this doesn't level the playing field this came after the court ruled that citizens deserve a jury trial when they are facing fines. this really changes everything but chevron is dead as dillinger now it means the judges will go back to doing what judges do and interpret whether this is a reasonable approach of an agency to this law. it's going to have a huge impact they were going to be more lawsuits and more importantly citizens are going to have a real chance now to say i think this interpretation is simply wrong courts will have to look at that freshly. shannon: justice kagan writing for the dissent said this every current federal regulation expects courts from now on to play a commanding role for saw a role congress has given to them. >> actually not at all what it says the courts the real experts in interpreting a law or going to affect interpreting law. when it comes to how to enact that regulations the regulators can still do that that is their expertise. when the question is what does this law allow you to do? that is a court we do not let the regulators say this law your representatives to the past gis us way more power than the words essay the courts get to read the laws with then the regulators co their job within the realm that was given to them by congress they cannot go outside that now. >> elizabeth a lot of this gets back to congress if you pass laws ambiguous if it will at the regulatory state take care of it how much does it mean more work they've got to do on capitol hill? >> exactly. the point was of course if congress enacted a law the agency was working directly to the act that's always been impermissible but congress rights legislation that has to cover a lot of different things for a long period of time like the environment is a perfect example. they write broadly worded statutes at times that are filled with gaps, ambiguities that have been filled by experts in the agencies which are politically accountable because they are appointed by the executive, the elected executive the president of the united states is a massive shift of power from these and politically accountable actors to the court and it affects americans on everything from the air we breathe, the food we eat, the safety of our workplaces, civil rights, health care you name it affects every aspects of americans lives. shannon: i agree all lawsuits we are all lawyers edge of that's good or bad thing but more lawsuits are coming i went to touch on the fisher case generally six defendants of this obstruction statute applied to me came in the wake of enron and its member financial crimes of it is not rightly applied to those who showed up at the capitol generally six. the court said there is not a proper application it was flawed for this could potentially impact hundreds of cases including president trump. >> this fits squarely in the courts a precedent on things like this if you've got a list of a type of thing and you say and otherwise do that it has to meet along the same lights it's like if you had a football regulation that said you cannot pull or twist their helmets or otherwise harm them does not cover trash talking or stabbing them it talks about things you do to their equipment in this case they are saying the sarbanes-oxley act which is about destroying evidence and blocking evidence and things does not have to do is broadly speaking anything you could do to interfere with the proceeding just has to be something to do with evidence it's possible that will cover sunday january 6 defendants we do not know what the government cannot use that to shoehorn in a million other things and that is what it said in other contexts as well because you have disagreement, elizabeth? >> it's an interesting lineup would justice barrett with two more liberal colleagues and said the text is the text especially the textual list and originalists and judges should file the text where it goes and yes it is broad. clearly congress intended it to be broad when you corruptly obstruct an official proceeding as is alleged in the january 6 indictments, then that applies but also justice jackson again the interesting lineup in her concurrence with majority said because the official proceeding we are talking about on generally 6000 of the certification of the election that does have records and documents even under the majority's view of the law generally six defendants charges could still go forward. quick. immunity is a big one coming tomorrow. welt heard the arguments, we have read the briefs them it and whatcomes after decision da. >> if you follow the oral arguments the expectation many of us had is the court was clearly uncomfortable at the extreme views of either the trump team or the lower court the trump truck team is a sweeg virtual immunity the lower courts give very little protection for presidents going forward they were bothered by both of those. one of the justices said were writing for the ages here. they have not clearly established where this line has been so everyone is trying to obama's rush on the court saying where's the opinion? where's the opinion? this line is critical in determining where article two begins and ends on some of these issues. as of the expectation is they may come up with a nuanced view and send this back. that is important because if they send it back may prefer the trial court to determine what here was part of an official function? that will take time and the clock is ticking. many of us doubt the court can do that but have a trial before the election for. >> quick comments are both of you? >> what he think we get? >> the timing is key here trump might loose on the merits or because of the delay in issuing the opinion essentially be handed a limit of the supreme court for. >> i think exactly as jonathan said they're going to come somewhere between absolute immunity for anything and no immunity for anything this kind it were the trump team moderate its position by the time got to the supreme court. personal acts don't get immunity for official actually do which is good news for president biden, president obama, other presidents as well to know i'm not going to get sued for every single decision i make. qwest is going to take a minute to do justice by the way, john, talk about your book a little bit you say this is so relevant to where we are now. you say we have to ask difficult questions about the limits of our tolerance for the speech of others including those we fight hateful or harmful. how do we do that? >> it's interesting in 1800 we had an election were thomas jefferson ran against john adams on free speech. john adams had prosecuted his political opponents. some of the opponents of joe biden are clearly ready to do that now that would possible repeat. adam's loss that because is correct that of free speech. many view joe biden as the most insight since because of the elaborate census system we have today. it will be interesting how history repeats itself and how if this will 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that we can rely on, that is gold to us. start your free trial today. >> no one thanks we are weak. no one wants to screw around with us, nobody. shannon: and president biden thursday night's debate the candidate spent a lot of time talking about foreign policy, those threats, the border the intersection of the t two. tube it also taught parties for next guest, congressman michael mccaul republican from texas chairs the house foreign affairs committee sits on the homeland security committee as well. welcome back to fo "fox news sunday" pickwick thank you for having me. it's basically sort the aborted reporter from nbc news this week secretary mayorkas is we need to know the specifics of what he is a problem with what they have said is 400 people and smuggled into this country that we know of in connection with this isis related group. we know we've lost track of dozens of them. this comes a couple week after we had the men brought in on terra concerns. what can you tell us about their case? about the ice is smuggling network what we know? works to frightening cases separate cases smuggling operation isis smuggling operation 400 that we know over smuggled into the united states i think that number is much higher, shannon. the other case is the most disturbing to me from what's called the region in afghanistan, pakistan and tajikistan they were able to get to the southwest border they with a us he beat went app for n interview. they are detained and released into our society at least eight known isis affiliates. into the united states for the fbi, thank god catches this thing and now they have been detained but they were in new york, philadelphia and l.a. this is my worst nightmare at my worst fears you have the southern border exploited, tears getting into the country we never saw that we saw no suspected detained but never get in these individuals got in they were not here on a goodwill mission they were here to do us harm. >> and knowing that, knowing the danger fbi director wray is talked about this all the lights flashing leading up to 911 again potentially the presence of any debate the other night he needs more money for border agents, getting the enormous and backlog of the immigration courts undone. why not meet him somewhere, halfway and some compromise just to get that funding tort needs to go when we have this level of threat? quick because the rent money at this promise not going to fix it it's a policy change that needs aand that is remain in mexico policy by market up out of my committee. it works very well on the trump administration. on day one he rescinded this policy. your political asylum claims had to be adjudicated outside the united states. you are not released into the united states has culminated in about 10 million people, known rapists. mayorkas it said you do not have to detain aggravated felons those are rapists, child predators, murderers. this is a reckless policy of the week foreign policy after afghanistan and you've got a wide open backdoor into the united states and they know it. they're going to exploit it and we have evidence they have. shannon: a cycle of the foreign policy hotspots for it is are we talked with senator fetterman just back from meeting with folks. they're very wary of a friend visiting in town from israel this week, had lunch with them for very worried about that has a bullet threat to the north. people in israel know that is substantially much worse for them and what's i found it interesting the chair a joint chiefs, cq brown according to ap the u.s. will not likely be able to help israel defend itself against a broader has below war as it was able to help israel fight off the iranian are we able to assist israel if that turns into hold on the front with them which is much better equipped and armed and will w wait. >> yes we can we did so in that launch the rockets in israel 99% were taken out. what about general brown saying he doesn't think we can get that same level of help? worksite respect general brown i know about the fact is we are not helping them. in fact this is what is most disturbing to me is that we are withholding weapons systems i have signed off on and congress has appropriate with the intent of saying those weapons to israel. remember the supplemental they were effectively withholding seven weapon systems i cannot get into the details that is not helping israel. same thing in ukraine. i wrote in shout shall providek comes to use against the russians they said okay will change the policy you can hit inside. but then they restricted them. shannon: we have a map from the incision for the study of war that gives us a look at how far the weapons we have sent where they are authorized to be as you can see you then. as i understand that it does not hit it would not reach most military outlets for the russians are hit their military airbases. at one point president biden said he did not think any of our weapon should be used into rushdie worried about sparking world war iii but now there is some level of use in russia. pickwick said they change the policy but they are limiting the weapons and restricting them from using the very weapons that could effectuate that policy. use up the map, the whole blue area is off limits and russian knows it. congress passed attack comes again and appropriated them to go into this region. i met with zelensky they are very, very frustrated. either give them that everything they need to win or get out do not tie one hand behind the back to doing it with ukraine they're also doing it with israel prone to thank general jack keane for that map by the way it is very helpful. shannon: the institute of study were and jack keane are very informative to keep us up-to-date on these many foreign-policy errors. chairman comic-con to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> president biden in damage control mode as his party panics after his debate performance with president trump and prominent voices on 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every moment counts—act now to slow ga with syfovre. ask your retina specialist about syfovre. >> he had one thing he had to accomplish and that was to reassure america that he was up to the job at his age. and he failed at that tonight should. >> i don't walk as easy as i used too but i do not speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know that i know how to tell the truth. shannon: i was missouri senator after president biden's rough debate showing thursday the president addressing its rocky performance at a fired up campaign rally the next day. let'slet's talk with our group x news contributor kit columnist mary katharine ham heritage and president kevin roberts, axial split or reporter stef kight and fox news contributor forbes contributing writer richard fowler. welcome everybody. what we have something to discuss. let's start here. we know the president had follow-up fundraisers they have given us numbers this morning they say since the debate $33 million has come in. he is at big hampton fundraisers this weekend. but they said he was using a prompter daughters did not like they could talk to him in a way that would reassure them. >> i think -- i agree with the senator for the prom for the democratic party as we move through this and 72 hours any two things any joe biden to decide to step aside which seems unlikely and then they need unanimity of the plan and purpose moving forward very quickly. i think of that is even less likely in the problem for them is if they wanted to move on which they probably will decide not to you cannot have a blood letting in the party with everybody splintered for the next month at half or two months when you need to be running a campaign i think biden will end up sticking in that position regardless of the feelings. shannon: the pressure campaigns from places like the "new york times" of all places. so donors there is a worry among donors according to the "new york times" they say silicon valley don't hurt plan to host an intimate fundraiser featuring mr. biden's summary decided not to go through the gathering because of the debate. another major don't let the debate watch party earlier e-mail from the subject line utter disaster. richard you and i watch it together. >> we did. [laughter] there is no question that president had a beleaguered debate performance most of us at this table could agree there for thereforethe question after the democratic party and i think for the president's campaign is how do we get our footing back? mary catherine is right ultimately joe biden will remain the nominee. but this opens up an opportunity for the democratic party under to bbiden's leadership he also n the growth of a new generation of democrats the party can showcase and talk about here is what we have been able to do case in point take the case of westmore we knit six months ago talk about a bridge collapsed and the closure of one of our major ports thanks to the biden administration, thanks to westmore his government and leadership in maryland that port is now open this is under the biden campaign can successfully attack what they can say listen come under joe biden's leadership even though he might be old, even though you might question his competency hears what he has been able to do it's one example you russian whitmer another example of this there's tons of governors and congressmen her work with the buy demonstration to get things and for the american people this is an opportunity this not open for the biting camping to talk about >> is not a bit like a quarterback controversy are not sure you want to be talking about that question. >> elections are team sports you and everyone to win and you want to regain the house which democrats need to do. shannon: are down and ballot worries about what they saw the other night. it is interesting to me a fundraising e-mail went in the biden/harris campaign this weekend showed polling with a bunch of these other people mention people to judge and aggression whitmer, amy klobuchar it mentioned all of these other people which seemed a little odd if you want to quite that conversation to not put their names in your e-mail >> is a terrible situation in the political dilemma is legitimate but he said the following i put politics off to the site if in fact we are asking the question whether president biden is up to the campaign we have to ask the question is he up to serve as president of the united states? i lament the fact my political differences with him aside and it seems as of the answer is no. i think the more this goes on this question about the political donors, not ponying up for the democratic campaign we have to ask the question of the 25th mm it ought to be invoked this is not just a political problem i think it is a constitutional and health crisis. shannon: a lot of folks who feel the same way you do meanwhile there is a meeting at camp david with the president, fi first la, the kids, the grandkids were told this was already on the schedule. turns into the question whether or not there will be a conversation figure that the daily beast said this headline chill biden must step up now to help alice to her husband it's time for biden's intimate circle to do the hardest things friends, colleagues and loved ones can do intervene know it will be tremendously hurtful to the person you care about. is that a conversation you think the biden family would have? >> there's no question this is going to be a conversation over the weekend. there is no question lawmakers all of us have been hearing from democrats all weekend them being willing to look at these alternate candidates having biden step aside we reported even chuck schumer before the debate was indicating to allies one of the pros and having the debate so early is it gave the democrat party time to find an alternate candidate if they needed to. the reality as it does not matter anyone is saying except for the very few number people who accept influence over what joe biden will decide that is jill biden, to valerie biden it's in very close to former aides and friends who have been with him for a long time. those are the only people who are really going to persuade joe biden to take the step i don't think is going to take that step there's no indications he will but if he's going to it's going to be in a setting like this with the people he trusts, his family members we know how much his family means to him. those of the oil and so have a say. shannon: will see if we get in the rear of the camp david get-together pail do not bar up next will focus on 28 key issues voters will impact their decisions and who they think is currently better equipped to handle those issues, next. balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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nobody did begin to lay out what could be a new term we talked about expanding inso to $35 a month for most americans capping prescription drugs at $2000 a month total cost. expanding first-time homebuyer credit most american's were to buy a new home these are things popular to the american people they can get out of the noise of the debate performance. in the absence of that there's not much coming from the trump campaign about number 2016 that creates a problem for them when abortion and other things are also on the ballot moving voters in the direction of joe biden >> who will get to >> i don't think he has to lay out any specifics, richard. i think americans are nostalgic for trump exhibition. i'm nostalgic when i go to the grocery store, when i put diesel in my pickup truck. as i travel the country, shannon, i've been in nevada, georgia, yesterday, arizona, it is the economy and 12 million illegal aliens. those two issues are are very connected to each other that are driving the center-right motivation. and i think, ultimately, that may offset the democrats' attempt to use abortion to drive their -- shannon: how worried, steph, is the campaign about that? knowing those two issues are the big ones and people in every poll give the edge to president trump on that, and given the debate performance the other might, can they overcome those things? >> the biden campaign is very concerned about both of those issues, and we've seen the white house try to find better messaging, try to prove to the american people that their economic policies are working. they try to focus on the jobs numbers which have been better, but when it comes to the economy, it's inflation that people are more concern about. paying more than they feel they did in the past and also, you know, the border's another issue that the white house has struggled with this from day one. and we see biden changing his tactic on that issue as well, deciding to move forward with a very harsh restriction at the border, taking essentially the exact same legal means that trump used to shut down the border and deciding to adopt that the for himself and his own kind of program to reject asylum seekers. all of that indicates they know these are serious problems they need to get right before november. shannon: abortion, clearly a big issue, it has worked very well for democrats. i want to put a map about where there is an abortion issue on the ballot. in green, they're there. critical states like nevada, swing states. also the blue state signatures, they have got enough there they're trying to to get officially on the ballot. efforts underway in the yellow and orange states, but, mary katherine, it only takes a couple of states that turns out out one side or the other that can flip this whole thing. >> a couple states, not very many voters. so is that can be important. this goes back to the debate and the importance of why it was important. biden had a moment where he was garbled and unclear about his number one issue. trump, on the other hand, hit the liberalization of abortion rules in various states post-dobbs. he talked about exceptions that he supported. he looked like the moderate that he should look like to appeal and quell some of those concerns. not exactly a pitch like his economy pitch, but he sort of managed that, and it might make a difference moving forward. shannon: okay, before we go, who thinks that president biden stays on the ticket? you do? kevin, you think he doesn't? >> i've been saying three years that he won't. in fact, i first said that on this show. i don't exist to say i told you so -- [laughter] shannon: okay, critical meeting at camp david this weekend with family. we'll see if anything comes of that. that is it for us today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream here in washington. tomorrow morning we'll see you at the supreme court for that immunity decision, it is the last of the term and one that could last for decades and generations moving forward. have a great week, we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ dence day, go to church. ♪ ♪ ♪