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About fighting corruption, we should also say specifically, burisma in 2016. Mr. Yermak provided me a statement. I wanted to be assured that this statement would actually correct the perception that mr. Giuliani had of ukraine and what they stand for now so that that would also be conveyed to President Trump and solve this problem that i had observed with our may 23rd meeting with the president. The problem being that he is getting a bad set of information, a Statement Like this could potentially correct that. Was mr. Guiliani satisfied with the statement . No, he was not. He believed it needed to say burisma and 2016 specifically or else it would not be credible, would not mean anything. So in fact, mr. Guiliani wanted a statement that Referenced Burisma and the 2016 elections explicitly. One that would benefit, es ....
in all this time, mr. guiliani in may or september, he mentioned the biden investigation, he mentioned biden over 50 times and twentysomething time in relation to ukraine. none of that stirred your curiosity? you just now finally came to this point? as i testified, i met with giuliani once and he did mention biden and i pushed back on that and made a clear distinction that ukraine investigating its own citizens in corruption it would be fine. going beyond that to say we are going to investigate the vice president is not fine. did you have any discussions with anyone in the administration about concerns about the investigation into poroshenko? yes. i know that i raised this with ambassador taylor in advance with that. we had been in some of the same meetings, some of the country team there. i don t know if i had raised it with george kent or not. ....
Time investigating a debunked conspiracy theory? there is all kinds of corruption to investigate and ukraine. but nonetheless you proposed they did this investigation, or something you thought without merit, because this was part of an effort to fix the problem that giuliani was creating? i did not propose it. but i think you said you were okay with it. or you amended a statement to seem to include it, because if it would help fix the giuliani problem. it was that the thinking? yes, sir. that was correct. if it threads the needle between what is reasonable for ukraine to do and resets the negative perceptions held by mr. giuliani and then the president, then why not. this is part of what you described in your opening statement as your effort to come if you see a problem, to fix it. is it clear to you now, ambassador volker, based on the september 25th call that you are not able to fix it? based on the transcript that was released on the 25th, i can see now that there was ....
Of zelensky. again, there were no demands. from your perspective, mr. morrison. that is correct, sir. speculations about the whistle-blower aside with regard to motivation, the fact is that the whistle-blower was wrong about many of the facts as well. correct? sir, i m not intimately familiar with the whistle-blower complaint. but i did not hear a demand in that call. i yield back. thank you, mr. chairman. ambassador volker, i want to thank you for being here today and i frankly found some of your opening statement to be not just genuine but downright eloquent. in particular, i noted the passages about pushing back at russian aggression and supporting a development of a strong, resilient, democratic, and prosperous ukraine. one that overcomes a legacy of corruption, and that this is critically important for u.s. national security. ....
ambassador volker, on daily mail, they have this headline that says ukraine special envoy kurt volker walks back his closed-door testimony and says he has now learned there was a link between u.s. military aid and abide and probe. that is not your testimony, is it? to be met i don t believe that s in my testimony. i yield back. mr. welch. thank you, just following up on mr. jordan. the easiest way to avoid investigations as to not do anything wrong. i want to talk a little bit about why we are here. official government actions can t be traded for help in a political campaign. let me give an analogy and ask each of you if you agree. could amir of a city withhold funding for the police department budget? for those watching on the fox ....