pressure arizona governor juicy to overturn the presidential election results. saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome trump s narrow loss in arizona. we are learning about the content of this conversation for the first time. to already know trump and doocy spoke after the 2020 election. fact. trump tried to call doocy while he was certifying the election for biden on official government livestream. on november 20th, 30 30 2020, d.c. was signing papers to end the election as he did in front of the press. you have to listen closely, you can hear hail to chief as he reaches into the pocket to silence the call. the ring town is spectacular. do you see did eventually speak to trump, didn t recorded the call. we have some idea what it might sound like because trump, we ll, made a lot of calls in multiple states. trying to overturn the results of this election. for example, here s a recording of trump calling georgia s then chief investigator from
there is value. being the responsible act, are saying this is exactly what happened. what it looked like. doocy really did, in that, moment may have said, okay, this is part of this broader campaign. and not actually paid particular attention to it. he did have that recording that we have with raffensperger. it is also, why stick your head out? i don t mean to cast aspersions, if you re in that foxhole, taking that fire from donald trump, why stick your head and say, yes, donald trump did this thing to me and drop all of that attention to yourself? that is exactly what donald trump acts the way he acts. as you said, to be a good citizen. harry, a recording without that recording, safe to assume we have not seen investigation in arizona like fani willis running in georgia based on a recording call to the secretary of state. not safe to assume. arizona 30s might still. philip s point is really well taken. look, smith is going to have voluntary folks and involuntary those. we learn wh
pence is in terms of the witnesses there will be. jesse did keep his head down, nevertheless, trump totally trashed him when he kept the election accurately for biden. he was considered a strong senate candidate. instead, he is now running for senate. just running some foundation. pence also. i think is even more interesting. trump pressured him to really strong-arm doocy. what does pence do? he says he just sort of checks in and asked him how things are going and now, when he s asked about, it he says, he doesn t recall any pressure from trump. i think that tells us pence will give up the goods on the actual january 6th conversation with trump. but he also has political calculation and a kind of to step to dance. still, anyone who cares about the future in republican politics doesn t want, at least so far, to come out and trash
pressure arizona governor juicy to overturn the presidential election results. saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome trump s narrow loss in arizona. we are learning about the content of this conversation for the first time. to already know trump and doocy spoke after the 2020 election. fact. trump tried to call doocy while he was certifying the election for biden on official government livestream. on november 20th, 30 30 2020, d.c. was signing papers to end the election as he did in front of the press. you have to listen closely, you can hear hail to chief as he reaches into the pocket to silence the call.
department s investigation. it is unclear if d.c. has been contacted by smic office since meeting with the donor. investigators in a special counsel s office have asked witnesses about trump s calls with governors, including the one to doocy, according to people familiar with the matter. if smith has spoken with doocy or plans to in the future, that could mean even more legal jeopardy for the ex president, especially considering he likely faces another indictment out of georgia for that similar call by brad raffensperger who her just a moment ago. harry lippman joins us now. he is the former deputy assistant general in the department of justice. danya perry served as deputy attorney general for the new york state. the bunk is for the washington post where he has written extensively about the various investigations into donald trump. they watch us now. harry, i wonder what you make of this latest development? in a sense, it is cumulative, alicia. right? we have known about the pressur