pressure arizona governor juicy to overturn the presidential election results. saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome trump s narrow loss in arizona. we are learning about the content of this conversation for the first time. to already know trump and doocy spoke after the 2020 election. fact. trump tried to call doocy while he was certifying the election for biden on official government livestream. on november 20th, 30 30 2020, d.c. was signing papers to end the election as he did in front of the press. you have to listen closely, you can hear hail to chief as he reaches into the pocket to silence the call. the ring town is spectacular. do you see did eventually speak to trump, didn t recorded the call. we have some idea what it might sound like because trump, we ll, made a lot of calls in multiple states. trying to overturn the results of this election. for example, here s a recording of trump calling georgia s then chief investigator from
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department s investigation. it is unclear if d.c. has been contacted by smic office since meeting with the donor. investigators in a special counsel s office have asked witnesses about trump s calls with governors, including the one to doocy, according to people familiar with the matter. if smith has spoken with doocy or plans to in the future, that could mean even more legal jeopardy for the ex president, especially considering he likely faces another indictment out of georgia for that similar call by brad raffensperger who her just a moment ago. harry lippman joins us now. he is the former deputy assistant general in the department of justice. danya perry served as deputy attorney general for the new york state. the bunk is for the washington post where he has written extensively about the various investigations into donald trump. they watch us now. harry, i wonder what you make of this latest development? in a sense, it is cumulative, alicia. right? we have known about the pressur
booing him over loyalty, which given just how loyal he has been to trump tells you what exactly? yes, alicia, a painful moment for lindsey graham. i ll tell you this about lindsey graham. i was with lindsey in saudi arabia, and in a meeting with the king, lindsey graham says to the king of saudi arabia, don t worry about donald trump. the presidents come and go, but senators stay forever. but that vinette told me a lot about lindsey graham, someone who likely trim in the u.s. senate then retire from it. so he has compromised and sacrificed his own dignity and his own political consistency to try to follow the path to power, to stay in the u.s. senate. and it is emblematic of the rest of the party. they know that donald trump has his iron grip on the party. it is post ideological. it is a grievance. you can call it populism, if you want. the party has decided to look past all defaults of donald
with doj investigators multiple times. i wonder what that signals to you? well, it s pretty obvious. she some testimony to get. what it really underscores for the legal political link is the people who are really close to him, including evan corcoran, who is still involved, giuliani is on the assist because it was a pay. we are talking about all the self inflicted wounds by trump. now, the people are running in. it was really telling to me last week, alicia, that the after the deputy in the elections committee that had been in charge of the false electors testified, that is when his boss and then, rudy giuliani came in. is it too late? can we maybe give information? even as they are the last vestige of loyalist to trump, they are also becoming the last witnesses for smith. that is quite a double roll.
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