The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Thoug a sense the timing of the conversation was while the Manafort Trial was under way . Im going to credit Rudy Giuliani in his last corrected statement in which he says to me that he believes it was quite a bit longer before the trial. Now, manafort was facing a lot of charges in a pretty damning case of tax evasion and bank fraud. It was fairly, you know, high odds that he was going to be convicted based on those case based on those charges and the evidence that the government had. But, again, im just going to let giuliani say what he wants to say, which is that now he remembers it really probably was in june rather than in august. So further along than recently. Did you get a sense at all, carol, from your conversation with Rudy Giuliani as to why today did he mention this . Hes obviously given a lot of interviews in the past. Was it your reading of his intent that maybe he was tryin
injustice whenever he saw it. that truly is why you see what president ramaphosa calls a global bereavement. in terms of the south african story, he s one of the last, arguably the last icon of that big movement. is there concern about keeping that legacy alive? what s the idea that the likes of mandela and himself, how do you keep that alive and keep people reminded of what they went through? the arch, as many called him, was one of the last of the mandela generation who fought against apartheid and lived to see democracy. even when he became critical of some of the people he was in power with. so for many in south africa who are seen as one of that last generation, they hope that there s the lessons and the teachings will live on in the hearts and minds of south
also one should have knowledge that the economic disparities are managing to keep us divided as well. i think what we need to do is unpack what we mean by rainbow. i think the idea of united in our diversity also mean that, you know, and there are moments of discord. anthony: and do you think things will continue to improve? percy: yeah, i think we ve seen our worst. and that s not to say that we re getting it right all the time, but it s an experiment with democracy. it s an experiment you need to fine-tune as you go along. that s really the south african story. the dream is there, we all agree. the divisions are there, but these are not bigger than our hopes. anthony: what did i know about south africa before i came here? exactly nothing as it turns out. but i think based on what i ve seen is that if the world can get it right here, a country with a past like south africa s, if they can figure out how to make it work here for everybody, absorb all the people flooding