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Raised the question of whether donald trump jr. or donald trump sr for that matter have committed treason. you use that word and it s a buzz word. it is a buzz word. we ve talked to a lot of lawyers that have said actually, no, it s not. and i take it you re one of those that believes that too? i think that they re partially right to be concerned about trechry, if not treason. this is the distinction i would draw. what donald trump jr. seemed to be willing to do was put himself and his father s campaign in a position where they would owe a debt of gratitude to the russian government. he was told in that initial e-mail that the russian government had information that would be helpful, and he took the meeting and seemed enthusiastic about it and suggested exactly when that the information should be released later in the summer. so it s i m concerned about it not in terms of are criminal liability for treason, but the trechry of betraying the united states and becoming indebted ....
He pledged to keep the fbi i understand pept and that he would be loyal only to the constitution. the overwhelming themes of questions he faced was about the trump team s ties to russia and the firing of the last fbi director. in fact, republican senator lindsey graham pressed him on those donald trump jr. e-mails specifically. take a look. you re going to be the director of the fbi, pal. so here is what i want you to tell every politician. if you get a call from somebody suggesting that a foreign government wants to help you by disparaging your opponent, tell us all to call the fbi. to the members of this committee, any threat or effort to interfere with our elections from any nation state or any nonstate actor is mountain kind of thing the fbi would want to know. well, there you go. and other senators asked wray what he would do if put in a tough position by the president as he did to comey. ....
With donald trump. to me the political climate in the country is a real mystery right now. more of a risk running against donald trump next year than running i think it is obvious, but it still seems short it seems that s the short-term view. is there a long-term risk here of getting yourself too tied? the long-term things unravel. to be frank, the long-term risk isn t with individual candidates, they come and go. it is the party. what does the republican party look like after 2018. what does it look like after 2020? that is at the core, for at least guys like me, of the conversation we need to have. because guess what, chuck? we still did not settle the issue we had before we elected donald trump. all of those fractures, all of the crazy that was existing within the base, none of that has been resolved. donald trump in some sense has been a nuclear band-aid, but the reality of it still remains. what does the party look forward going forward. the disruption to politic ....
Anybody else. somebody asked me yesterday would you have gone to that meeting if you had been him, and i said, you know, if i had never been involved in politics and i was just coming to this the first time, i don t know if i would have gone or not, but of course i wouldn t go to that meeting knowing i had somebody present an alternative theory using the same, which is you had a campaign that couldn t figure out how to work with the rnc. you had a campaign that nobody wanted to work with at that point in time for what it s worth. the establishment i m not sure internally the campaign ever kmukd effectively with itself. but that made campaign operatives more open to looking for help in alternative ways because they weren t getting traditional help. oh, i don t know about that. is that an excuse? because i know there s a growing sort of spin on this. well, donald trump jr. didn t know what he was doing. is that an excuse? is that a legitimate excuse? i think it could be a ....
Experienced washington lawyers. who have been through a lot of this. they ve been through this. jamie was a senior justice department official. abby loul has been through this before and neither don jr. actually have lawyers who understand washington and i think that difference is a huge tejs internally probably between legal terms but most certainly between principles. we are all experiencing in dealing with the white house right now. you deal with one faction and automatically the other faction wants to talk. and they re scapegoating again, so now they re looking to fire someone. it s a rough situation. let s take a pause here. still ahead, how much legal jeopardy is donald trump jr. really in. we ll talk with an expert lawyer on that. that s coming up. let s take a quick break. ....