raised the question of whether donald trump jr. or donald trump sr for that matter have committed treason. >> you use that word and it's a buzz word. >> it is a buzz word. >> we've talked to a lot of lawyers that have said actually, no, it's not. and i take it you're one of those that believes that too? >> i think that they're partially right to be concerned about trechry, if not treason. this is the distinction i would draw. what donald trump jr. seemed to be willing to do was put himself and his father's campaign in a position where they would owe a debt of gratitude to the russian government. he was told in that initial e-mail that the russian government had information that would be helpful, and he took the meeting and seemed enthusiastic about it and suggested exactly when that the information should be released later in the summer. so it's -- i'm concerned about it not in terms of are criminal liability for treason, but the trechry of betraying the united states and becoming indebted to the russian government.