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And into a containment van and ultimately taken care of. But were left with a lot of questions as we close the show this morning. That does it for us for now. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. We begin with that very breaking news. Two more packages found this morning. One addressed to senator cory booker and another to former director of National IntelligenceJames Clapper. Nbcs Investigative Reporter tom winters joins me now via phone. Tom were up to 12 potentially suspicious packages. Walk us through this. Shortly after 8 00 a. M. This morning, we first got word the package that was addressed to cory booker but was found at a Mail Facility in south florida, at that time, we understood it, the package was addressed to booker in camden, ....
Why two bombs if we re trying to scare you? it goes more to me that i m really trying to get you, i really have an ire for you, a hatred, i really want to get you, maxine waters or joe biden. so that s just some ways to look at it. it s not absolute. we could very well find out there was no way to trigger the device and that s the way the bomber made it. so we made a real bomb that he didn t tend to go off. i think more likely it s his bomb making skills, steph, are lacking, you know, maybe the bottom of the bomb class he graduated in, not too good. maybe trying to be too clever by half. you have a timer on that picture. a digital timer. mail bombs normally don t have timers. so this could be a safe arm switch or it could be, you know, a digital type they re w time r ....
Victim. that s what i suspect here is that the timer was a safe arm switch and these packages were set to detonate when opened or the package was manipulated. i don t, ali, of any one of these that was opened by a citizen or victim. they were all opened as far as i can tell by the bomb squad. the bomb squad can open these in what we call render safe procedure without them detonating. so these devices can be fully functional. they re totally bombs under federal law. they have all the components to make a bomb, intended as a weapon. they re a bomb even if the circuits aren t so great. it can be the bombs were never detonated because no victim ever opened them, or there was some problem in the fusing and firing system, it s also possible he did not intend to it to go off. but it sure looks like he did. there s a lot of work in putting ....
Schultz s offices in florida are a part of the investigation and not only because of the fake returned a dress put on the envelopes, but because they are looking into whether or not there were past threats or messages sent to that office and whether the past incidents connect to what is happening now here in new york, washington, los angeles. jim, let me take these step by step and you can help to us understand the importance of this information and how it fit s into the overall investigation and start with this focus at least that one tof the many focuses of the various people who are working on this that none of this went off, and whether or not it was meant to be a hoax, and whether or not it is meant to incite fear or whether they are badly made? yes, jonathan is doing an excellent job to lay it out. look, we don t know whether the bomber made the bombs not wanting them to go off. but i don t see that as the case can. all of the components are there. he s got a timer which coul ....
Were not intended to detonate. that s a point you would consider. my analysis would be they were intended to detonate. just from what i see. here s some of the reasons. you don t put shrapnel, hidden shrapnel, glass, inside a pipe, to scare anybody. it s not going to scare anybody. you re not going to see it. if you want to put shrapnel to intimidate or, like, in a hoax device, you tape a bunch of nails around the outside of the bomb so the visual attack of your hoax bomb you see. that s not here. this is hidden shrapnel in the bomb. that makes me think this bomber wanted it to detonate. look at it defusing in the firing system, i can see some flaws i won t talk about. we would never want to arm the bomber with good information. but they do progress. they change. the digital timer alarm clock is probably a safe arm switch. the bomber could carry all his ....