i m martha maccallum live in des moines, iowa. here s the story today. we are here all week. we re hours away from our first big town hall with one week to go until the first in the nation caucuses to decide the 2024 presidential election. tonight, nikki haley. tomorrow, it s ron desantis and wednesday we ll join with former president donald trump and voters here on the ground in iowa. the former president is way ahead in the polls right now. he s telling his supporters to pretend we re one point down and don t stay home on caucus night. karl rove and former obama adviser robert wolf standing by on the matchup. interesting reports today that say former president obama went to the white house to meet with president biden and expressed his concerns about the campaign and how things are being run from the biden perspective. he warned about the possibility of a second trump victory and said not to underestimate that possibility according to these reports. so we gin with con
ramaswamy say that if you can t handle snow, you can t handle xi jinping. give us an update on how things are going and when the nikki haley campaign will be back on the road? a lot of the candidates postponed their events not because of them because they don t want people driving. it s more of a safety issue. with vivek, about six people will show up anyway. it doesn t matter. at the end of the day, this is a one-on-one race. this is nikki haley versus donald trump. i think she s going to do well in iowa. she will challenge trump. i think she wins in new hampshire. that s somebody that nobody thought was possible. so all of this momentum. a real movement where people feeling optimistic and hopeful and more folks are coming outs of the wood work. they want to get on board. a national narrative for trump doesn t pan well here. so i think because the voter turnout will be high, we ll probably break a record and come
on the facts in a courtroom. so i can imagine a trump s lawyers must be tearing their hair, out thinking, oh gosh, we really don t want that, and if cheeseborough finally has the idea, that oh, maybe this was not a good idea. oh gosh, we have to go to trial in a couple months. that is also not trump s interest. joe, people forget this, because you arrive talking for a long time, but there was a point which we are mostly debating and you richer stuff and now you debate with people who don t share your view on things still. but you always read, and one of the things that we read this indictment into a podcast is because it actually causes me to read all of the indictments, right? there was nothing like the pressure that your boss is giving you to just read the dam things we can be posted. what do you say to trump supporters with whom you still interact, if there are any about the fact that these are real indictments, there is real facts, we do have a real justice system in this count
somebody who is unfamiliar to voters because a lot of attention because he is quick on his feet. he can perform in these kinds of settings and that is not a knock on him. pete buttigieg won the iowa caucus. slightly different level of volume. yeah. between buttigieg ramaswamy. i ve talked to both, and i can tell you for sure. huge difference in volume. but i say all of that to say, we can t count ramaswamy really playing a factor in this. at the end of the day. winning a primary, a republican primary, democratic primary you have to have a broad base of support. and it has to be deep and i do not see the depth from ramaswamy. at least not yet and when he gets to 15. let s just say he does rise. trump will come from next. you know trump spends all of his time on defense but if they ever perceive that desantis is fading in ramaswamy say is in the early second place. trump will come for him next
ever perceive that desantis is fading in ramaswamy say is in the early second place. trump will come for him next and it will be like. i don t think donald trump sees vivek romo me as a threat. i think that he realizes that river ramaswamy will have a ceiling in some place in the 15 to 20% and it s going to just cripple the rest of the field and he s happy to see that happen and happy to help from swimming achieve that. and record revamping to be a surrogate. that s absolutely if you see consolidation. what if you saw consolidation in the field around ramaswamy anybody else? i don t think. nobody is going to vote for vivek ramos moment for president over donald trump. i don t see it happen. they re pulling in the same. place i think if anything, the trump team are going to try to bring into the fold some kind of a surrogate. one thing that kind of a generational discussion an