somebody who is unfamiliar to voters because a lot of attention because he is quick on his feet. he can perform in these kinds of settings and that is not a knock on him. pete buttigieg won the iowa caucus. slightly different level of volume. yeah. between buttigieg ramaswamy. i ve talked to both, and i can tell you for sure. huge difference in volume. but i say all of that to say, we can t count ramaswamy really playing a factor in this. at the end of the day. winning a primary, a republican primary, democratic primary you have to have a broad base of support. and it has to be deep and i do not see the depth from ramaswamy. at least not yet and when he gets to 15. let s just say he does rise. trump will come from next. you know trump spends all of his time on defense but if they ever perceive that desantis is fading in ramaswamy say is in the early second place. trump will come for him next