targeting scandal pleads the fifth again. the morning, i am jon scott. jenna: hope you are off great day. i am jenna lee. trying to get to the bottom of the claims they unfairly targeted the tea party and other conservative groups. she refuses to answer questions like she did the last time around and that set off this fiery reaction. i am a member of the congress of the america. we have members over here represent hundreds of thousands of people. you cannot have just a one-sided negotiation. there is absolutely something wrong with that, this is absolutely un-american. we have a hearing. i do have a question. what are you hiding? she is pleading the fifth. jenna: that is just a little bit of it. more with this. how did the short hearing get so he did so quickly? this was nine and a half months after lois lerner can be capitol hill and in both the fifth and refused to answer questions, so it was tense going in and nobody was quite sure if she was going to talk. wha
Death suit against phillips and will be awarded any money if phillips gets any money. she will have a lot of animosity when you see her testify today. jenna: phil, knowing that, you re a criminal against guy. how would you prepare for that testimony today? a lot of the her testimony has much to do about nothing. all they re doing they re saying there was a note inside of ron young s vehicle and that note somehow links pamela phillips in the murder. they re building the background, setting the terrible but in the end there is really no substantive evidence that they re presenting that links her specifically to the murder of her husband. jenna: some of our viewers may not know who ron young is. ron young is the man convicted of the murder of gary triano. he is currently behind bars. heather an important point here, though, what will the jury know about ron young? well, while the jury, and jury panel they were talking to the jury panel they were told ron young was convicted for the mu
We ask jurors to do that all the time. we ask them to forget things like that and put aside sympathy. it is a really difficult thing to do. it will be very hard for this jury to forget this person is convicted of this murder. jenna: that is one of the strategy points for the defense as well, phil. they re trying to say, listen, not only was pamela phillips not involved in this murder but maybe ron young didn t even do it. maybe somebody else did it. that is what the defense wants to do. what do you think about that strategy. absolutely. this is a great defense. this insurance policy is $2 million. $2 million in aspen buys you hamburger and fries and maybe small condo. this individual had many people that wanted him debt including mafia ties and other debts. there are other people that had motivation to kill him. i think the defense will focus on that, yes, the one possible suspect but there are many other suspect that is could be responsible for his death. jon: heather, we re seeing
Car. the niece took the stand and talked about the surprise party planned for him the night he died. was there an event you were supposed to go to? his surprise birthday party. it was a surprise birthday party? yeah. and that was something that was planned for that friday evening? yes. do you know if your uncle gary , you said surprise, did you know if he knew it was actually happening or not? no, i don t believe that he knew. jenna: bring in the legal panel today, heather hanson, trial attorney and phil snyder, criminal defense attorney. nice to have you both with us as we continue to follow the play-by-play of the trial. heather, we ll hear from another family member today, potentially gary triano s daughter. what is the prosecution doing here having all the relatives to testify? the daughter will be important and awarded a wrongful
Europe and in a luxury hotel arrested some years after the murder, the alleged murder of her ex-husband. now, there has been at love time the prosecution spent on describing that she is a money-strapped, money in-, money-grubbing woman. have they been successful she hated her ex-husband or so angry or so wanted the money she was willing to kill him? no, and i agree with phil. that is all they have. all that they have is motive. even the motive is a stretch. $2 million life insurance policy is a stretch. that is why they re so hard trying to make the jury dislike her. they re only calling 33 witnesses while the defense is calling 103. that is unusual. it shows where the defense is trying to instill reasonable doubt with every witness. jenna: phil, talk to us about that. that must be a strategy as well as heather is bringing up. more than 100 witnesses? of course they will paint her as wonderful caring mother, by the way the defense is that