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attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence s testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he s not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump s part that means that special counsel jack smith could gain firsthand knowledge, a firsthand account of the one-on-one conversations that mike pence and donald trump had that day special counsel jack smith on the verge of access to a central witness in the insurrection is where we start today new york times reporter glenn flush is back with us and joining us msnbc legal analyst paul butler. he s a former federal prosecutor, now a l ....
Ordering pence to testify? now that mike pence is not going to be fighting it? no. i don t think so, a man. i think, as you say, it wa really settled in the united states versus nixon case bac in the watergate era tha executive privilege exists t promote candor for presidentia aides to talk with him without worrying that someone down the road is going to make them spill the beans and say what they said. but it is only a qualified privilege. and it is outweighed by things that are more important in the national interest. and criminal investigations is one of those things. so i think at best, donald trump, could cause a delay i further proceedings, but not b much, at this point. so it may be futile to further appeal this. and i think one where the other, in short order, mike pence i going to be sitting in front o a grand jury and christina, there is another aspect of this there s a legal one and th political calculation. pence said that he has quote nothing to hide. and i want to tal ....
Attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence s testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he s not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump s part that means that special counsel jack smith could gain firsthand knowledge, a firsthand account of the one-on-one conversations that mike pence and donald trump had that day special counsel jack smith on the verge of access to a central witness in the insurrection is where we start today new york times reporter glenn flush is back with us and joining us msnbc legal analyst paul butler. ....