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documents probe. the guardian is reporting that federal prosecutors have that donald trump was put on notice that he could not retain any classified documents after he was subpoenaed last year. the warning conveyed to trump by his lawyer evan corcoran could be significant surrounding his handlings of classified materials gib it shows he knew about his subpoena on lig aigs. saz we ve reported before sand when it comes to questioning about whether trump committed obstruction, jack smith and his prosecutors are zeroing in on a specific period of time. the weeks and months after trump was served a subpoena from doj and all classified documents in his possession. and before that court approved search of mar-a-lago back in august that turned up more than 100 items and you guessed it, they were marked classified. that is despite the fact that trump s legal team in that window had attested and told investigators that they already handed over everything. that was classified. the ....
attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence s testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he s not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump s part that means that special counsel jack smith could gain firsthand knowledge, a firsthand account of the one-on-one conversations that mike pence and donald trump had that day special counsel jack smith on the verge of access to a central witness in the insurrection is where we start today new york times reporter glenn flush is back with us and joining us msnbc legal analyst paul butler. he s a former federal prosecutor, now a l ....
That reveal what trump and his aides knew and when they knew it about classified documents and their location at mar-a-lago is where we begin with some of our favorite reporters and friends. new york times reporter glenn flush is back. plus former u.s. attorney and deputy attorney gary litman. and msnbc political contributor and betsy juan and basil smikle is back. director of the public policy program at hunter college. betsy, let me start with you. for our viewers who really i think have followed everything that has been revealed by the government and pretty extraordinary disclosures, after the court approved search of mar-a-lago. i think we ll remember that this has been a real focus for prosecutors. and i think it was when we saw the surveillance tape in the ....
Glenn is making an important point. we know trump well enough to know the subpoena didn t have to be explained to him, but hor far he could push and bend the rule of law because for seven years, he s done nothing in response to anything as it pertained to classified documents or investigations into him, even when national security was at the center of it. glenn is exactly right. you don t need to be told even donald trump, when the subpoena arrives. that is why he s identified it already as the sort of moment you would organize an obstruction case around. but having all of the information that he was told, only increases and gives smith cumulative testimony. one point about smith, we ve all thought since around corcoran testified, he s got a complete case. but remember the federal grand jury is really useful not to just bring charges but to investigate and i think the signs are clear now he s doing everything that he can to get all of the information he can, know what people are goin ....
Dealing with a big unusual, very atypical set of circumstances and challenges. i mean, glenn, someone to whom it would be typical set of circumstances and challenges are his giant cod ray of ex lawyers. here is one of them, ty cobb. all they really have to do is show that trump moved these documents at various times, when doj was either demanding them or actually present, that he filed falsely with the justice department and had his lawyers file falsely with the justice department and an affidavit to the effect that none existed which was, you know, shattered by the documents that they then discovered after the search and the many other misrepresentations that he and others have made on his behalf with regard to his possession of classified documents. so, i think this is a i think ....