Early, bureau chief at politico, Jonathan Lemire. I liked it. Do it every morning. John heilemann is here. Why are you here so early . I dont know. Thats a lot for us at 6 00. Me rolls in from the club. Works out well. Its like Super Tuesday, starting on a super note. I have to prepare emotionally for heilemann to be in the room. Wow. Bbc news katty kay is with us, as well. So important it is Super Tuesday. I have an announcement to make, personal. Hopson is an emotional support dog. I know you love him, joe, except for the humping problem. Wow. How do you stop that . Some dogs cant be stopped from that. I joe was still getting his mic on, so i was helping you out. Congratulations, hopson. Gosh. You could have stretched just a little bit less on that. Hes a good dog. I just do want some advice on that. No, no. Sweetheart, i may talk a lot hey, sweetie . Rapid turn. I may talk a lot, but i want you to know what comes out of my mouth scares you . Its the things that i dont say that have
kyle rittenhouse is not a terrorist. collin carp knick is not a hero. why are you mentioning him in the same breath as kyle rittenhouse? why? oh, how dare you take a knee against the flag? it is the language that is key because we have been defined through the prism of whiteness, what our values and our culture. and so what s that you re dealing with. the two folks who were killed. they were not black, but they are out there protesting you know, in terms of black lives matter. people say well, they were violent. but the question is this here. do you still fire someone? do you still show up with an ar-15 to do what? you re not a cop. what are you patrolling? it s the value mindset, and there are a lot of white people in america that we have to understand who would never say i m in those categories, but will vote for the very people you just showed, and they ll say i m not racist. i m not a nationalist.
of yourself, and also the idea of whiteness, which means by design, the work that is done is to soothe and protect whiteness, not dismantle it. phoebe robinson joins me now. phoebe, i am so excited to have you here. as you know, i am a fan of your work and a fan of your books, and i would ask how you managed to be so prolific, but i feel as though the past year and a half has given you a lot of material to talk about. yeah, i mean, i certainly wasn t planning on writing a book last year. but i was inside, thinking a lot, and so a lot of things were coming up. you know, sort of the performative alliship of it all, my boyfriend and i decided not to have kids. you know, self-care, all these
alongside jessica williams. she s also out with a new book where she serves her personal commentary on social issues including ally ship, white guilt, and white people taking up cultural movements. in her book, she writes her formative alliship is more than being keenly aware of the camera, aka, the world, and presenting an idealized version of yourself, and also the idea of whiteness, which means by design, the work that is done is to soothe and protect whiteness, not dismantle it. phoebe robinson joins me now. phoebe, i am so excited to have you here. as you know, i am a fan of your work and a fan of your books, and i would ask how you managed to be so prolific, but i feel as though the past year and a half has given you a lot of material to talk about. yeah, i mean, i certainly wasn t planning on writing a book last year. but i was inside, thinking a
you re sort of a quasi-historian in your thinking, that whiteness was actually formed in the united states? that whiteness didn t even exist as a thing. europeans were all european. they were italian or polish or whatever. when the colonists came here, they created the idea of whiteness. this is from the smithsonian. i agree with that. as a way to distinguish themselves from what they call the savages, the natives, and from black people, from africans. who even if you had a little african in you, if you re plessi, who is 7/8 white, if you are african that you reduced in rights. so people are saying whiteness has always had power. there used to be a saying i m free, white and 18. it was commonly said in the 40s, 50s and 60s. so whiteness has power. people who want to decouple whiteness from power is what you re annoyed by. let me play a little bit of what you said. no. hole hold on.