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of countermeasures. why did you not say those things? say those things? that is not howl would characterise say those things? that is not howl would characterise the say those things? that is not howl would characterise the situation. i would characterise the situation. the first thing is that i am not confident that by this cabinet meeting, i will have known that sage had concluded that containment was lost. and in fact, i don t think that i was told that for a number of days after. as i said, i m not exactly sure when i was told that. but this meeting was the morning after the minutes of sage coming to that conclusion. secondly, at this point in the department and nphet and the health service, we were working extremely hard to prepare for the pandemic. i had commissioned the action plan and work was under way on that and phe. we were attempting and pushing phe to build the testing system and all of the other things we were directly responsible for. as i say, we were

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would be a global outbreak. tiitj h there was a 50 50 chance of would be a global outbreak.- there was a 50 50 chance of being would be a global outbreak- there was a 50 50 chance of being a global outbreak and not 100% chance. i m not exactly sure of when he first said it to me, but this is also why i wanted cobra to wake up whitehall to this threat. you also why i wanted cobra to wake up whitehall to this threat. whitehall to this threat. you must have appreciated, whitehall to this threat. you must have appreciated, mr whitehall to this threat. you must have appreciated, mr hancock, i whitehall to this threat. you must l have appreciated, mr hancock, but having have appreciated, mr hancock, but having been have appreciated, mr hancock, but having been told have appreciated, mr hancock, but having been told by have appreciated, mr hancock, but having been told by the have appreciated, mr hancock, but having been told by the chief- having been told by the chief

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politicians and perhaps particularly that period during the pandemic, did you feel there was as it were a deficit in their understanding of the granular way in which the nhs works? i the granular way in which the nhs works? ~ ,. , ., , , works? i think her description seems to be accurate works? i think her description seems to be accurate regarding works? i think her description seems to be accurate regarding their - to be accurate regarding their cabinet office. the extent to which number ten has health expertise is to some extent a function of how the prime minister of the day chooses to staff the number ten policy unit. during the pandemic itself i think there is truth in what she says. but to some extent, as long as that doesn t lead to ill informed second guessing the decisions that people in the nhs are actually trying to take, that need not in itself be a problem. fine trying to take, that need not in itself be a problem. itself be a problem. one can certainly

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