counsel robert mueller should trust michael cohen or anything related to his former lawyer and fixer at all. has the white house had any response to the claims from giuliani this morning on television, i mean, it s not being his statements are not being coordinated with the white house, are they? no, they re not. and the white house has made that pretty clear ever since the president first hired rudy giuliani to be his lawyer. his statements have been increasingly problematic for the white house spokespeople because of course rudy giuliani will say something on television that contradicts what they have said in the past. you ll think of the stormy daniels payment. and if you ll listen to what it was that rudy giuliani was saying this morning, you can see why the press secretaries are not eager to speak about it. here s a little bit of what rudy giuliani said today. which i don t even know that s a crime, colluding about russians. okay. you start analyzing the crime. the ha
not tell his father about the meeting. that s a perjury problem. i took note this giuliani placed rick gates at those meetings. his name came up in the conversation. why is that important? because rick gates is already a cooperating witness with the mueller investigation. he pled guilty to charges in early february. if he can corroborate what cohen says you have two people against the multiple denials that team trump is giving, that is a huge problem for don jr. when i see a problem, i mean the way giuliani framed this today. i have tremendous admiration. i think he was the best mayor in american history. do you think s doing his client any favors? i don t know what he s doing. he had me thoroughly confused. when he was talking about collusion, is it a crime or not, he was almost like a law
hacking. reporter: so, you see there, rudy giuliani seems to be shifting the goalpost here and the defense of what the white house has said for months. there was no collusion. right. reporter: then rudy giuliani goes on television. he says collusion s not a crime. it raises all of these questions for the white house, and so far their tactic for dealing with what rudy giuliani says on tv has been to refer questions back to rudy giuliani. anderson? kaitlan, thanks very much. perspective now from someone who had a view for a time inside the campaign. someone who has already talked to robert mueller s people about it. joining us is former trump campaign aide sam nunberg. great to have you back on. thank you. this the trump tower meeting, is it possible, in your mind, that donald trump jr. or someone, paul manafort or kushner, would not have told donald trump, either in advance or after this meeting, that it had occurred? in the totality, during the campaign, i would assume
that giuliani was trying to draw a very fine line that trump may walk. i think that warrants more followup in what giuliani meant by saying he was not physical think present. there s no indication that it was anything other than the nothing burger. the white whale as you referred to before the break is some kind of conspiracy with the russians to commit a crime and hack these e-mails. so far we have zero, zero evidence ever that. very suspicious in which trump said not only that. the speech about hillary clinton. [ speaking simultaneously [ as many ] one at a time, one at a time. the timing is suspicious. is he openly sending signals to russians with his speeches? he asked the russians to hack her e-mails. just quote him.