counsel robert mueller should trust michael cohen or anything related to his former lawyer and fixer at all. >> has the white house had any response to the claims from giuliani this morning on television, i mean, it's not being -- his statements are not being coordinated with the white house, are they? >> no, they're not. and the white house has made that pretty clear ever since the president first hired rudy giuliani to be his lawyer. his statements have been increasingly problematic for the white house spokespeople because of course rudy giuliani will say something on television that contradicts what they have said in the past. you'll think of the stormy daniels' payment. and if you'll listen to what it was that rudy giuliani was saying this morning, you can see why the press secretaries are not eager to speak about it. here's a little bit of what rudy giuliani said today. >> which i don't even know that's a crime, colluding about russians. >> okay. >> you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original problem, yes. >> the president didn't hack. >> of course not. >> he didn't pay them for