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well there you have it. spoken like a zealous advocate but you raise a point that s very relevant, which is that if donald trump does ultimately start a court fight or another battle to avoid testifying which would be different than clib even if people who love trump would say if he can talk everywhere and tweet all the time why wouldn t he want to talk to mueller. still ahead, how trump s new attack on bob mueller could be putting the probe on a collision course with congress. before that, the coauthor of the art of the deal, tony schwartz is with me when we are back and live in 90 seconds. ....
Starr. thank you for coming on the beat about this. thanks for having me. did you know in the leadup to that that president clinton would ultimately testify voluntarily after getting the subpoena? or was in athat a genuine quest in your office as it may be in mueller s tonight where you thought you would have to litigate it out. once we decided to issue the subpoena we didn t really have any doubt that he was going to testify in some format. and we had the authority of u.s. versus nixon we felt behind us. we also thought politically he wouldn t be able to do it. but there is an important thing about u.s. versus nixon that should not be forgotten, particularly in the case of president trump n. u.s. versus nixon, the supreme court thought it was very important that leon jaworski, the special counsel, had these specific authorization to contest executive privilege. that was in the federal regulation that controlled him. ....
Executive privilege. one summed it up, who do you want on your side if mueller decides to subpoena the president? you want your wartime consignaturely airy. emmitt is a quintessential wartime consignaturely airy. look. here he was in an interview just this morning, his last interview about this change. it s certainly not off the table. and people are working hard to make decisions and work toward an interview. and assuming that can be concluded favorably, there will be an interview. trump loyalists are increasingly arguing the opposite. they are saying there isn t a way from donald trump s perspective, to meet mutualer in the interview room favorably. it s too much risk, too little reward. and that s why this whole fight could be headed right to the supreme court. i m joined now by california congressman ted liu. he serves on the judicial ....
Bill to protect mueller s investigation but mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are now against it. joining me former democratic senator from wisconsin russ feingold. you know paul ryan. he is leaving congress. wouldn t this be the time to step up? it s time for everybody to step up. when trump was elected, the expression watergate was sort of a drip, drip, drip confident allegations. it was already a right there moderate rain and in the last 18 months is, it s become an incredible downpour. we are at a situation now where the pace is quickening. and where this is going to come to a conclusion. it s time for everyone to think what their duty is, to take a deep breath and for those in office including those you mentioned to review the oath of office. to uphold the constitution. to defend this country against enemies foreign and domestic. and when the president of the united states says he s going to wage war on the justice ....
Bob mueller does not have that authorization. so there is a real potential legal argument the trump people can make saying this isn t a justicible issue because mueller does not have the right it is an intraranch dispute. mueller does not have the right to question my implication of executive privilege. you says justice shl and intrabranch. you know you are getting me excited. [ laughter ] this is something we were discussing at the very top of our show tonight. and you are putting your finger on it, which is does u.s. v nixon stand for the proposition that no president is above the law which would be good for mueller forcing him or does it stand for something narrower which requires congress to give that and during which they could go all the way to the supreme court? i think there is no question it stands for the proposition that nobody is above the law and ....